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Millennials Are Causing the U.S. Divorce Rate to Plummet

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Post by martin1975 »

JadeNB wrote: post #69
martin1975 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do that in a state like California, and you are considered married, regardless of a piece of paper being signed or not.

According to Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_Uni... , particularly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_Uni... ), California explicitly doesn't allow common-law marriages (to which you seem implicitly to be referring); and, anyway, it seems that a common-law marriage must be explicitly consented to, rather than being a state that develops involuntarily (based o…

there's a lawyer filing a case soon for a woman that lived with her fiance for over 10 years...never married, and they had a quid pro quo sexual relationship...she paid most bills, no rent though, and lived/appeared as if married to him everywhere, but were not in fact married. The lawyer pursuing it says this type of case is almost always ruled in favor of 'common law' marriage. She got shafted by him for another woman and was left out in the cold w/out any money after having spent a considerable amount of her own time and money w/this POS. Now she's suing and will win half the increase of the house he owns and they lived in. I'll let you know of the disposition of the case.

So yes, he/she consented to common law marriage.

This is from a lawyer. Are you a lawyer by chance?

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Post by encoderer »

dcole2929 wrote: post #209
cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #194

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* except for the ones that were drafted, shipped out to SE Asia and sent home in a box. Or with lifelong physical or mental injuries.

I don't see your point here. 1,789,000 is the total number of US troops serving in the Theatre during the Korean War. There were 74 million males living in the US ~50 million of which were over the age of 18. Even if every single soldier died, which didn't happen, I think we can safely say the booming economy in which these people lived worked out pretty well for the majority. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2010/0…

Yes, a globalized leviathan murder machine is good for business. But:

- horrible recession between ww2 and Korean War.

- young men faced the draft. A bit of a drag really.

- everybody felt the horrors of war and knowing personal loss.

- the jobs that you speak so fondly of had awful workplace safety, horrible pollution problems, and generally poor working conditions compared to today.

Also there are a lot of things that are a lot cheaper today as a percentage of income, like food, clothing and durable goods.

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Post by taurath »

jriot wrote: post #208
sulam wrote: post #150

They really buried the lede. There are two things happening here that can arguably be traced to one cause: Educated millennials apparently see marriage as something you do _after_ you've finished establishing yourself. It is a goal, not a given. Uneducated millennials apparently have the _same_ point of view, but they aren't established and therefore they aren't getting married. Given that marriage often means you en…

My wife and I got married young, 21 and 20. Neither of us had any financial issues because we were too young to have any financial issues. Twelve years later and we are still married. By sharing our 20s together it allowed us to see each other grow personally, professionally and together in many ways. Neither of us views marriage in terms of financial purposes. There are economic benefits we see. For example I work f…

> Neither of us had any financial issues because we were too young to have any financial issues

Can I guess that your lifestyle doesn't vary hugely from that of your parents? I see most millennial having to contend with a relative shack vs their parents relative mansions and stability and stuff - the general feeling that you are "very" behind your parents.

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Post by jriot »

taurath wrote: post #214
jriot wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife and I got married young, 21 and 20. Neither of us had any financial issues because we were too young to have any financial issues. Twelve years later and we are still married. By sharing our 20s together it allowed us to see each other grow personally, professionally and together in many ways. Neither of us views marriage in terms of financial purposes. There are economic benefits we see. For example I work f…

> Neither of us had any financial issues because we were too young to have any financial issues Can I guess that your lifestyle doesn't vary hugely from that of your parents? I see most millennial having to contend with a relative shack vs their parents relative mansions and stability and stuff - the general feeling that you are "very" behind your parents.

We both were air traffic controllers in the Air Force and met at our first base. My dad was enlisted military and her mom immigrated here, working as a nurse in the prison system. I now work from home as a data scientist for a cyber-security company.

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Post by tropdrop »

extragood wrote: post #199
sulam wrote: post #150

They really buried the lede. There are two things happening here that can arguably be traced to one cause: Educated millennials apparently see marriage as something you do _after_ you've finished establishing yourself. It is a goal, not a given. Uneducated millennials apparently have the _same_ point of view, but they aren't established and therefore they aren't getting married. Given that marriage often means you en…

Unintended pregnancy in US teens has consistently dropped by quite a bit [1], and I have to imagine that has reduced the number of "shotgun weddings" at a young age. That said, the number of unintended pregnancies by people at and below the poverty line has actually risen somehow. [1] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/unintended-pregnancy-u...

> somehow

Note that access to reproductive care continues to be impeded on in places like Utah and Texas - see the recent filibuster in Texas by Wendy Davis, for instance, or Utah's "abstinence-only" school curriculum. It is not usually middle class families hurt by policies like these (e.g. Utah's laws assume the parents will deal with sex ed, and by and large, middle class families do just that).

Instead, abortion/birth control restrictions and/or poor sex ed hurt lower educated, lower income families. Single moms (whose husbands are in prison) have no time to ensure each of their kids gets proper attention, have no control over the next pregnancy because lack of education/PTO to drive to the next state for abortion, new child is born, cycle continues and unintended pregnancy rate for people below poverty line increases.

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Post by x220 »

jriot wrote: post #210
x220 wrote: post #171

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>the recession that stretched between ww2 and Korea I really don't buy that baby boomers had a tough time. I believe that white men in that time in America had perhaps the most prosperous economy and job opportunities in world history .

You are looking at history through rose colored glasses.

Statistics show that in real terms Baby Boomers had it better than any other generation I know of. It's not just an impression. They made huge money in real terms, which is especially amazing given that most of them were not highly educated.

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Post by x220 »

encoderer wrote: post #212
dcole2929 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see your point here. 1,789,000 is the total number of US troops serving in the Theatre during the Korean War. There were 74 million males living in the US ~50 million of which were over the age of 18. Even if every single soldier died, which didn't happen, I think we can safely say the booming economy in which these people lived worked out pretty well for the majority. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2010/0…

Yes, a globalized leviathan murder machine is good for business. But: - horrible recession between ww2 and Korean War. - young men faced the draft. A bit of a drag really. - everybody felt the horrors of war and knowing personal loss. - the jobs that you speak so fondly of had awful workplace safety, horrible pollution problems, and generally poor working conditions compared to today. Also there are a lot of things t…

>everybody felt the horrors of war and knowing personal loss

This is common to nearly every generation in world history. Yes, many Americans died. Yes, it was terrible. Yes, many people genuinely suffered grief.

But if we look at the data honestly, you weren't that likely to die or be in combat if you were an American. They had it comparatively good.

>the jobs that you speak so fondly of had awful workplace safety, horrible pollution problems, and generally poor working conditions compared to today

Today the pollution is worse, and people have worse living conditions instead of working conditions. I know many people who would like to have a high paying, more dangerous job than their current dead-end job that can not support a family, much less one person who wants to live without government assistance. Many people today would gratefully make that trade.

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Post by x220 »

watwut wrote: post #201
x220 wrote: post #166

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That comic is fake news. I can't find the source, but the Economist made a pretty good graph with good data demonstrating that when you control for certain factors, poor people and people with measured below average IQ definitely are more likely to have children. I saw the graph I'm referring to a couple years ago on the Economist website.

In the past, poor classes had more children then rich. Nothing new about it. Which is what comic says.

And because society hasn't collapsed yet, things are fine? Adaptation doesn't take effect that quickly, but it still takes effect. Maybe we will only see brain size decrease in a few thousand years (that is, if you believe in the assumptions).

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

fosco wrote: post #202
52-6F-62 wrote: post #172

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Heheh. I don't mind that so much. But I think I've done a good job of convincing myself that there's a certain baseline condition I'd like to be in to start seriously considering it. We've sadly even waffled enough on getting a dog for, a) Financial reasons. If we can't take the dog to the office, then we would end up paying the few hundred dollars a month or whatever people charge around here to walk them. (one of m…

having a kid will never come at a convenient time. idiocracy is real. be doggy grandparents (wife and I prefer this over owning), they are distracting to own and more travel prohibitive than kids.

I hear you, but I think we're different people in that way.

I grew up with dogs— I need a dog. I just can't go for it if I know the situation wouldn't work well for the dog.

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