Why I’m done with Chrome • Hacker News Board

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by biztos » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

brian-armstrong wrote: post #14

zbrozek wrote: post #9

I engaged with the folks pushing this feature internally when my own browser started enforcing omnidirectional login. One of my specific complaints was that it was an end-run around the user-provided sync passphrase, which nominally prevents Google from hoovering up my logged-out history. They didn't grok my privacy issue. Maybe they were deliberately misunderstanding me. Doesn't matter either way. Now I use Firefox.

Google's culture breeds internal arrogance and blindness to outside concerns. Arguing with Google people about issues with their products is approximately as effective as arguing with a brick wall.

This may be true, but it's definitely not unique to Google. I know some well-meaning leftists who work for the leading Social Network and don't see any contradiction in that.

I could imagine a high-flying company having entitled employees, I just don't see the qualitative difference between this or that company. Please enlighten me if I'm missing the point.

And lest I sound arrogant myself: I once worked in Pharma and made my peace with the price vs R&D logic.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by mixmastamyk » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

pg_bot wrote: post #165

rando444 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need developers to reach out to you, just file a bug report like a normal person. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Have reported there before and have gotten no attention to any issues previously posted. In my experience bugzilla has been a black hole and reaching out via public channels is more effective at influencing change in an organization. I understand that you may think this is uncouth but letting other people know publicly why their product isn't being used is effective.

Try vacuuming the sqlite files, or make a fresh new profile.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by ethbro » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

Endy wrote: post #138

brian-armstrong wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's culture breeds internal arrogance and blindness to outside concerns. Arguing with Google people about issues with their products is approximately as effective as arguing with a brick wall.

No, a brick wall doesn't stare at you blankly. Nor does it argue back arrogantly and defy you that whatever Google wants is best.

I stopped using Chrome when I wanted to have downloads automatically save to the desktop (no dialog).

Turned out, there was a 2 year old open bug on the missing feature, in which Google UX engineers repeatedly argued allowing the save location to be changed was counter to the desired user experience.

I switched to Firefox the next day and haven't touched Chrome since.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by torstenvl » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

shawnz wrote: post #110

Twirrim wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't for _now_. Which is no small part of his point. The next step is to automatically turn on sync etc, which is an easier step now people will start to be used to the idea they're automatically signed in to stuff in Chrome. The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on.

> The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. Yes it does, it solves the exact problem described right in the article. Before this change, there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service (which normally all share your current login status). Now, your login status is shared between every google servic…

> there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service

Chrome is not a Google service. It is a web browser. It should act like one.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by Brakenshire » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

boyter wrote: post #193

skndr wrote: post #120

For those who've switched over to Firefox recently and find Youtube inexplicably slow, it's "because YouTube's Polymer redesign relies on the deprecated Shadow DOM v0 API only implemented in Chrome." [0] The YouTube Classic extension will speed things up: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-class... [0] https://twitter.com/cpeterso/status/1021626510296285185

Seems that the days of "Best viewed in browser X" have come back sadly.

When you give a browser a 70% market share it will always start abusing its position. Same as last time.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by akayoshi1 » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:43 PM UTC

Why I'm leaving [Insert name of disliked social media network or web browser here]

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by alistproducer2 » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:43 PM UTC

I've successfully transitioned away from all google products with the exception of Android. It seemed impossible at first but all it took was a rpi3, dd-wrt router, free ddns from freedns.afraid.org, letsencrypt cert and nextcloud.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by unstuckdev » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:43 PM UTC

Chazprime wrote: post #134

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It started at Stanford University and got its early funding from various tech people. Where did you hear otherwise?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by tomjakubowski » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #86

Twirrim wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't for _now_. Which is no small part of his point. The next step is to automatically turn on sync etc, which is an easier step now people will start to be used to the idea they're automatically signed in to stuff in Chrome. The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on.

The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on. Over the last year or so, it feels more and more like Google, as a company, is getting desperate. Like it feels the external tide of popular opinion turning against it. But rather than mend its ways, a decision has been made somewher…

Is Linda Lovelace famous for having poor computer literacy? I know her for something else.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by DrJaws » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

biztos wrote: post #211

brian-armstrong wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's culture breeds internal arrogance and blindness to outside concerns. Arguing with Google people about issues with their products is approximately as effective as arguing with a brick wall.

This may be true, but it's definitely not unique to Google. I know some well-meaning leftists who work for the leading Social Network and don't see any contradiction in that. I could imagine a high-flying company having entitled employees, I just don't see the qualitative difference between this or that company. Please enlighten me if I'm missing the point. And lest I sound arrogant myself: I once worked in Pharma an…

Well, every day there is more and more evidence ahoyt how R&D excuses in relation to the price later are that, excuses to win more money and they do not share the real investments numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/apr/12/non-profits-...