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Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by washadjeffmad »

isostatic wrote: post #142
rwmj wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? You've paid for the OS you can run it wherever you want.

Depends on your jurisdiction's view of the legality of apple's terms of use

Not seriously, unless you believe Apple is going to start working with cops to kick in doors and inspect homess for non-Apple branded hardware for unsanctioned OS installs.

Even if a judge agreed with Apple's EULA (unlikely, and unlikely to be tested), that's not really enforceable in any practical sense unless you're selling computers with MacOS preinstalled. Then it's a matter of commercial licensing and distribution which they do have an interest in protecting.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by cutler »

ageitgey wrote: post #122

I can tell you from experience that building a Hackintosh is a terrible idea for almost all people. I have no moral objection to it and I totally understand the motivation. Apple is completely failing to provide hardware that runs at a fraction of the performance you'd get from building a commodity $2500 AMD/Nvidia desktop even if you give Apple $7000 for a Pro model. Apple's platform especially sucks if you do anyth…

Nonesense. I'm still using a performant Hackintosh I built 8.5 years ago with a Gigabyte EX58-UD5 board. It's been through several Mac OS upgrades and point updates. The only thing I have to do without is sleep and target disk mode. The trick is to clone your system to a second disk and trial any upgrades on the backup. Usually the only thing required after an upgrade is to re-run MultiBeast. Piece of cake so long as you stick with recommended hardware.

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Post by genericid »

JadeNB wrote: post #145
peatmoss wrote: post #14

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that How does running the same software on a different machine do anything to address this?

It means you don't give Apple money.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by ageitgey »

locusm wrote: post #188
ageitgey wrote: post #122

I can tell you from experience that building a Hackintosh is a terrible idea for almost all people. I have no moral objection to it and I totally understand the motivation. Apple is completely failing to provide hardware that runs at a fraction of the performance you'd get from building a commodity $2500 AMD/Nvidia desktop even if you give Apple $7000 for a Pro model. Apple's platform especially sucks if you do anyth…

This is fud - buying the right parts means you'll have a working Hackintosh within about 30 to 60 minutes from start to finish. I'm typing this from a Hackintosh, my very first actually. All I did was follow the https://www.tonymacx86.com/ guides. No issues through all High Sierra updates, the nVidia drivers have been generally problem free too.

I'm glad you had a good experience! But it's also true that the most recent random macOS update thread on tonymac86.com (10.13.6, a minor update) has 44 pages of user comments ranging from the update worked perfectly to the computer completely won't boot and kernel panics - and all manner of issues in between.

If you are using the computer to do paid work and can't gamble like on every update, I think you'd be crazy to use a hackintosh. But if it works for you, sweet.

Two people can both buy "the right parts" according to the site's myriad recommendations but randomly choose slightly different combinations of motherboards or video cards or wifi cards or whatever and have wildly different experiences overall with updates.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by writepub »

What Mac only software requires you to use OS-X/hackintosh? Have you looked for alternatives on Ubuntu?

At the cost you've stated, your Ubuntu machine will fly, even compared to the Mac. Most often, even at half the cost, you'll end up with most use cases covered on Ubuntu

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by mnm1 »

photojosh wrote: post #181
mnm1 wrote: post #177

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10.13 and the upcoming 10.14 and any future updates no doubt.

Ah, so they just failed to install correctly? They're meant to be supported fine. What a pain. Do you know where it went wrong?

10.13 yes. I haven't tried 10.14. I have no idea where it went wrong. Maybe it didn't like that I had shrank the OSX partition for dual booting. It was a pain just to restore from Time Machine as the rescue partition they keep is old too. I think I ended up installing some older version then restoring on top of that.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by e12e »

rwmj wrote: post #137
e12e wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1013.pdf > 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Preinstalled and Single-Copy Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, through an automatic download or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive li…

So what? You've paid for the OS you can run it wherever you want.

I suppose you just get a license for one cpu core for your database servers and run them on 32-corevservers too?

The license is strange - but it is what Apple is selling.

And AFAIK the latest release is a "free" (gratis) download anyway - so you can't even claim you've paid for it.

I mean sure, you can ignore the license. Maybe Apple won't sue, but they might revoke your developer access, I loud account etc.

[ed: anyway, the thread started with a claim about "moral" obligation, I'm just pointing out that Apple is refusing to give or sell a valid license, so you're in breach of the license. I don't see how it's legally very different from an illegal copy of Microsoft Windows).]

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by Apaec »

berti wrote: post #178
jonathanoliver wrote: post #171

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How about Arch Linux then? I love it and hate it at the same time. Rolling updates are amazing until they hose your system and you have to roll back updates.

Has that happened to you in the last couple of years? I've been using Arch for about that long on my desktop and the only issue I've ever had to resolve is outdated AUR packages with hard version deps.

Happened to me last last year, an openssl upgrade broke many of my projects, and wasted a couple of days trying to fix it with no luck, had to resort to docker to get them working again(not a good DX).

I don't use Arch as my daily driver anymore, I've switched to NixOS(has its issues as well, but at least no rolling release model)

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