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California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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post #37

WSJ is notorious for "you have to call us to cancel". However I bypassed this by subscribing with amazon where i can cancel subscription online.

I canceled my local newspaper subscription (had to repeat "cancel the account" a dozen times whenever the CSR started speaking until they figured it out), subscribed through Google Play, and took 2/3 off the monthly cost.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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My trick to avoid the long retentions go around is to tell them I'm leaving their service area. Why are you looking to cancel your phone plan? Leaving the country. They know they can't win me over and so they don't even try.

"Well, I don't mean to overshare, but if you must know, I've been convicted of aggravated manslaughter and am scheduled for booking tomorrow afternoon. I won't be needing cable TV service for ten to fifteen years."

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At some point, when it happens day in, day out, day or night, doesn't it become the new normal call volume?

I just assume that they put this in regardless to get some amount of people to think "Oh well I better send an email instead...". Emails are cheaper to deal with. And in emails they put in "We're experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of support requests and we encourage you to look at the FAQ instead". Every. Damn. Time.

> And in emails they put in "We're experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of support requests and we encourage you to look at the FAQ instead".

To be fair, you wouldn't believe the number of people that will send a request to support before looking at the FAQ when the item (and resolution) is in the FAQ.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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This isn't just lying though, it sounds closer to fraud to me (lying go receive services you otherwise wouldn't). It also sounds a bit like parking in the disabled section. And I don't know if there are legal ramifications for using services that are for the disabled but I wouldn't be surprised if there were.

So I didn't downarrow you, but I think I can explain why you have been. You are conflating morality with law. Law can be amoral, and illegal actions can be moral.

Weird, because I thought everything I said was about the legality aspect, at least until other people suddenly started bringing ethics and morality into the discussion. Am I wrong about this?

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Relatedly, I've been flying a lot more than usual in the last couple of months. Every single flight, the boarding announcements start with something along the lines of "this plane is going to be more full than usual, so we're going to need to check some of your carry-ons". Well guess what, United? Maybe if you didn't cram passengers into the fuselage like sardines in a goddamn tin can, you'd have enough room for ever…

I've learned that storage is rarely the issue - they do this to reduce boarding time to stay on schedule. I often board later in the line and there is still plenty of space. Really they should just ban carry-on rollers for non-elderly, able people, they're the ones people spend ages trying to jam in.

> Really they should just ban carry-on rollers for non-elderly, able people, they're the ones people spend ages trying to jam in.

I would agree, but they charge for checked bags.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Another consumer first law I would like to see is that if a service detects you haven’t used it in the previous period, they refund your subscription fee. There is so much wasted money on zombie subscriptions that people forget about.

I understand where you're coming from (though I would never legislate it), but compare it to insurance. Should your car insurance company have to refund your premiums if you don't "use" their service in some time period, i.e. you don't file a claim? Should a life insurance company return all your premiums if you don't die during the covered term? I'm going to say no. In the case of insurance, you're paying for someone else to take on a risk that you either can't afford to take on, or that it doesn't make financial sense for you to take on. In the case of a streaming subscription (for example), you're paying for the ability to, at any moment, start streaming whatever content the service is making available. Even if you never use that ability within a given month, you still had the option, and that's what you were paying for. In fact, you could frame that this way: you're paying to remove the "risk" that you'll want to stream something at some point and won't be able to because you don't have an active subscription.

And on a more personal level, I don't understand why people can't just manage their subscriptions better. Dark patterns that make canceling subscriptions difficult are one thing, but if a service makes it easy for you to cancel, and you just haven't done it, that's on you.

That said, if a service wants to refund subscribers for unused service periods, that would be a great feature. Or, as a middle ground, send an email saying, "You haven't logged in in X months; do you want to cancel your subscription?" X could even be configurable, and cancellation could be automatic, e.g. cancel the subscription if the user hasn't logged in for 3 months.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Simply telling the merchant I will do a chargeback has worked every time for me (provided it's a credit card charge).

Some merchants have it in their contract (for subscriptions) that any chargebacks will go to a collection agency, which dings your credit.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just assume that they put this in regardless to get some amount of people to think "Oh well I better send an email instead...". Emails are cheaper to deal with. And in emails they put in "We're experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of support requests and we encourage you to look at the FAQ instead". Every. Damn. Time.

> And in emails they put in "We're experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of support requests and we encourage you to look at the FAQ instead". To be fair, you wouldn't believe the number of people that will send a request to support before looking at the FAQ when the item (and resolution) is in the FAQ.

I would :) I also do CS for my company.

I honestly believe almost nobody reads FAQs, and the presence of an item in an FAQ is a symptom of a UX failure somewhere down the line.

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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post #12

For places that require a phone call I came up with a trick to cancel via email. If they reply back via email and say I have to call them, I tell them I'm deaf and can't talk on the phone. Works every time.

but would not that make you feel a little guilty as you are lying to the person just to cancel a subscription?

Why? Its just a machine. You're trying to find the right buttons to press to get it to give you the desired results. The "person" is just part of the interface. They have no choice at all what to say.

If you saw that a soda machine always dispensed a Coke when you pressed the Dr. Pepper button would you feel bad pressing that button to get the Coke you wanted?

Re: California law requires businesses to let you cancel your subscription online

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Another consumer first law I would like to see is that if a service detects you haven’t used it in the previous period, they refund your subscription fee. There is so much wasted money on zombie subscriptions that people forget about.

I knew a guy that bought World of Warcraft and chose the six-month subscription. He played for about 3 months, then stopped and forgot about it and didn't cancel his subscription. Three months later, he got charged the $78 for another six months. He called support and they refused to refund his money even though he wasn't playing anymore.

Maybe next time he'll listen when I tell him to only buy 1 month at a time, especially on something he's not sure he'll enjoy.

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