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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by Arn_Thor »

acomjean wrote: post #9
phinnaeus wrote: post #3

Realistically, I just can't really see Apple fixing this by introducing a new keyboard design that's any thicker. As much as I would love to hear "We've heard your feedback on the keyboards and we've made some drastic changes to address them in our new Macbook Pro", it just doesn't seem like their style. What do others think they're going to do for their next release of laptops?

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

As someone who'd been in the Mac ecosystem and paid the price in time and expense of leaving for a PC a few years back, I'm starting to lean back toward the Mac side. The amount of fiddling and headaches I'm dealing with on Windows is just a huge waste of time. Had to reinstall all my programs after a recent Windows update ruined the OS.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by paulie_a »

ngngngng wrote: post #67
acomjean wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

Only thing I'm considering is a thinkpad x1 carbon. But the last time I tried putting linux on a laptop I had a few issues submitted to the linux kernel and still didn't have the laptop working perfectly (Asus zenbook) within a week I returned it and bought a MacBook pro. Might be time for another go.

Just get a Dell XPS developer edition. It is what an MBP is supposed to be but actually delivers for roughly the same price or less depending on configuration.

The click pad and keyboard are far superior too.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by tedmiston »

deathanatos wrote: post #170

> [Apple quietly announced][1] that they were extending the warranty on their flagship laptop’s keyboard by four years. No, they didn't. If you read the very source the article cites for this, you find, > The program covers eligible MacBook and MacBook Pro models for 4 years after the first retail sale of the unit. The original warranty was 1 year[2]; this is a three year extension. "Extending by 4 years" is just too…

FWIW AppleCare for this price of machine has been the same duration and roughly the same price since forever, even before MBPs.

What they have quietly changed is now you can only buy it in the first 60 days instead of the first year which was a big surprise to me buying a new MBP. It had been the first year for a very, very long time — since inception IIRC. Of course I learned of this change after I'd already had my machine for more than 60 days. :/

There are a few ways to get it slightly cheaper like F&F discount. You also used to be able to get it cheaper from a third party store like B&H but it seems they've cut back on this recently.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by stefanfisk »

Arn_Thor wrote: post #211
acomjean wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

As someone who'd been in the Mac ecosystem and paid the price in time and expense of leaving for a PC a few years back, I'm starting to lean back toward the Mac side. The amount of fiddling and headaches I'm dealing with on Windows is just a huge waste of time. Had to reinstall all my programs after a recent Windows update ruined the OS.

this is what's keeping me from switching. every time I try spending a day on Windows I remember just how much macOS "just works", even if it has warts all over the place.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by gnicholas »

acomjean wrote: post #9
phinnaeus wrote: post #3

Realistically, I just can't really see Apple fixing this by introducing a new keyboard design that's any thicker. As much as I would love to hear "We've heard your feedback on the keyboards and we've made some drastic changes to address them in our new Macbook Pro", it just doesn't seem like their style. What do others think they're going to do for their next release of laptops?

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

The day after the keyboard program was announced, I had an appointment at the Apple Store Stanford to get my MBP keyboard fixed.

The Apple Genius confirmed that the replacement parts that there’re using now are tweaked versions of the originals, not identical.

Of course, even if this makes the keyboards somewhat more resilient, I will still find it very uncomfortable to type on...

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by kbd »

hungerstrike wrote: post #196
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #145

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Windows is so terrible, though. I could never go back.

Windows is better than anything. Nothing else even comes close to its mix of quality, flexibility, stability and commercial support. Nothing.

Plus you get free spyware and adware included!

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by bengrunfeld »

Last year, I started work for a new company and they supplied me with a BRAND NEW Macbook Pro with Butterfly keyboard. 30 minutes after opening, the 'e' key jammed, and kept jamming on and off.... Meanwhile, my 2015 Macbook Pro with Scissor Keyboard still works beautifully, having NEVER suffered a key jam, despite me being very mean to it and dropping something on it most lunches.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by gsich »

hungerstrike wrote: post #196
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is so terrible, though. I could never go back.

Windows is better than anything. Nothing else even comes close to its mix of quality, flexibility, stability and commercial support. Nothing.

Sadly true.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by berti »

mushufasa wrote: post #68
acomjean wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

System 76 (the small linux-only hardware manufacturer) just refreshed their Oryx Pro last month, which looks pretty capable and looks from afar to be really good build quality. https://system76.com/laptops/oryx I haven't found many/any reviews of it since the refresh -- does anyone on HN have one who can attest?

> System 76 (the small linux-only hardware manufacturer)

Nitpick: IIRC they purchase hardware from some other OEM vendor (Clevo Google suggests).

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by tzumby »

mushufasa wrote: post #68
acomjean wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

System 76 (the small linux-only hardware manufacturer) just refreshed their Oryx Pro last month, which looks pretty capable and looks from afar to be really good build quality. https://system76.com/laptops/oryx I haven't found many/any reviews of it since the refresh -- does anyone on HN have one who can attest?

I switched to a System76 Lumur last year after 5-6 years of MacBook Pro. The biggest adjustment for me was the battery life, it’s not terrible, but I remember I never had to think about charging my Mac. Aside from the flimsy hardware I can’t complain about anything else, I certainly don’t miss macOS and I’d take Linux over it any day. The price is a factor as well, I got a maxed out system for half the price, in another year I can buy a brand new System76 and I would have spent the same amount a MacBook Pro costs. Having said all this, I do miss the MacBook hardware quite a lot.
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