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Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by pc86 »

mjevans wrote: post #129
soci wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran small recruitment agency for one year long (never again! terrible sharks industry). During that time I saw many non-ethical tactics used by other agencies. Some recruiters would do what you explain for one of the the following reasons: a) to blackmail the company in the likes of “I won’t touch your employees if you recruit using my services from now on”. b) already had a signed agreement with your employeer whi…

This sounds like something which should be transparently open, public knowledge, and public listings... Can we please just have a matching service run by the unemployment office and also require salary / compensation range for the listed job? (Also that it IS an actual job and not head hunters collecting resumes.)

Why should agreements between private companies be public knowledge?

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by alexpotato »

In my experience, recruiters who are too honest generally end up getting you a bad deal or not fighting hard enough for you.

On the other end of the spectrum, the really slimy ones are so dishonest that the deal doesn't happen at all.

The best ones have enough honesty that you can at least bet on them giving you an accurate general picture and they are just slimy enough to do and say what needs to be said to get you the job.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by pavel_lishin »

hammock wrote: post #205
wonderwonder wrote: post #5

I got an email from a local recruiter a few weeks ago and stepped outside during my lunch break to give her a call. On the initial phone call she asked me where I worked currently. After the call I stepped back into my work where I sit back to back with my manager. No more than 5 minutes later his phone rings, its the recruiter calling to see if they have any need of her services. I emailed her while he was on the ph…

How did they get your email without knowing where you work?

I'm not the person you asked, but my LinkedIn profile is very out of date, and only lists my personal email address.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by scarface74 »

soci wrote: post #41
wonderwonder wrote: post #5

I got an email from a local recruiter a few weeks ago and stepped outside during my lunch break to give her a call. On the initial phone call she asked me where I worked currently. After the call I stepped back into my work where I sit back to back with my manager. No more than 5 minutes later his phone rings, its the recruiter calling to see if they have any need of her services. I emailed her while he was on the ph…

I ran small recruitment agency for one year long (never again! terrible sharks industry). During that time I saw many non-ethical tactics used by other agencies. Some recruiters would do what you explain for one of the the following reasons: a) to blackmail the company in the likes of “I won’t touch your employees if you recruit using my services from now on”. b) already had a signed agreement with your employeer whi…

How is this shady? I worked with a recruiting agency that had a contract to find employees/contractors for a company. I was hired by my last employee through the recruiting agency. I then started working with the agency as a team lead to hire developers.

It would have been unethical for them then to try to place me somewhere else, especially with the inside knowledge they had about the company.

When I was looking for a job, while I was still there. The recruiters I had worked with for years before I started working for thier client, wouldn’t touch me with a ten foot pole. Fair enough. Now that I don’t work for one of thier clients they would be glad to work with me.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by pavel_lishin »

reureu wrote: post #95

I got a call from an external recruiter: "I have a candidate who would be a great fit for your company." I'm just a lowly data scientist with no hiring power, and at that job the entire data science team was quitting. So, I mentioned that I didn't think the team was growing since it seemed to be actively shrinking with no new reqs that I was aware of. Recruiter immediately turned it around and said they could represe…

I've gotten those calls and emails, too. I typically mentally put those recruiters on a "do not use" list - if they're just randomly shotgunning every number and email at some company, what are the odds that they're good at any other part of their job?

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by greggarious »

mavelikara wrote: post #132
greggarious wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify: you took issue with this person quitting mainly? I'd be careful saying negative things about an employee for quitting - under at will laws, it can create legal liability to retaliate when someone exercises their at-will rights.

Stating the fact - that the GP knew him only for few days in a professional capacity - should be legal, rt? Any negative inference from that is left for the company doing the reference check.

Yes, stating "I only knew him/her a short time" wouldn't run afoul. It's when you venture into something like "I only knew him a short time - he quit shortly after being hired. I don't have a high opinion of him"

You're allowed to have opinions and share them. The problem comes if your opinion can be argued to be based on a legally protected action/characteristic.

This is why many HR departments don't like their employees giving out references, which really sucks since "Yes, this person was employed during [DATES] and was not fired" is not super helpful.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by pavel_lishin »

JavaAndChill wrote: post #189
Zelphyr wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the trustworthy ones?

To be honest, I don’t know. I just assume there must be some doing a good job within all this chaos.

"Somewhere under all this shit must be a pony."

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by Fjolsvith »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #170
marcell wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been told this is illegal as the recruiter is harming your prospects at your current job...

What law is that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by NetOpWibby »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #194
NetOpWibby wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of lying and that lying leading me to not getting paid or putting me in unfortunate situations. Meeting times for potential employers, length of engagement for contracts, date of pay, and so on. Being a young, hopeful professional leads to being taken advantage of because at our core, we all believe that people act in good faith. The more I worked with them (and the older I got), I've learned that once money is…

One gentle recruiter has agreed to a job for me. Then tried to blame me for his inability to hire me.

Sounds about right.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Post by beckler »

duxup wrote: post #162

Since I'm looking for a job these days I saw a recruiter post a story on LinkedIn. The story was about this TERRIBLE TREND of some workers "ghosting" recruiters. They describe a process where a recruiter talks to a prospective employee, the prospective employee might even interview with the company. ... and then the prospective employee stops responding to emails, phone calls, any messages. It was theorized that thes…

A few years ago, I decided to try working with a recruiter. I had never worked with one before, and I wasn't sure what to expect.

But the first thing the guy did was spam my resume to like 60 something different companies. Eventually I decided not to work with him, and he warned me that if I got hired by any of the companies he spammed within 6 months, he was entitled to some sort of payment. I didn't know who he sent it out to, or if he was even telling the truth, so I just held off on getting a new job for a while.

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