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The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by wang_li »

coldtea wrote: post #165
moolcool wrote: post #136

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You can sleep after n minutes of lid closed. I find this a good compromise of not toasting my laptop in a bag, and being able to head to a different room without losing any application state

Sleep doesn't lose any application state.

It does if your application state happens to include TCP connections. When Windows wakes, prior to powering up the NIC hardware, it sends all applications a notice indicating that the network is down so everything kills their network connections. This happens on my hardwired desktop. It's one thing if the device can potentially be roaming and changing networks while the system is asleep. But for a wired network connection it's BS.

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Post by asshole15 »

lstepnio wrote: post #51
daxorid wrote: post #34

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LibreOffice works perfectly well for 99.9% of MS Office documents.

My experience differs drastically .

This is pretty common. Ironically modern day software "engineers" are grotesquely bad at imagining anything outside their bubble of experience. The average nerd claiming "99.9%" usability is about the very restricted set of docs they are probably viewing only. I'm really all in favor of use Libreoffice or gdocs or Pages if that really works for all you need to do. Maybe get outside though and realize there are people with other needs. I've lost count of the times I've literally had to tell these freetards to STFU.

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Post by emsy »

martin_ky wrote: post #162
makecheck wrote: post #103

It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. Software matters, and how it integrates with hardware. And I keep waiting for them to fix just the basics in Windows 10. Not utterly losing both the sizes and positions of all windows just because the laptop was undocked. Not fai…

> It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. At my workplace it's about 60:40 Windows to Mac user ratio. Regardless of the machine, nobody closes the lid when moving in the office between desks and meeting rooms. So, I'd say it's probably not that.

Regardless of the reasons for people not closing their laptop lids, these issues exist and they shouldn't.

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Post by lostgame »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #205
twodayslate wrote: post #186

I only reason I have a Mac is for Xcode. This can't be replaced on Windows.

Its funny you mention that as Xcode is the reason I can't develop on my macbook. I prefer visual studio. To each their own I guess.

It's not about preference, it's about necessity...some of us need native iOS/MacOS development, it's part of our job.

And for better or mostly for worse in the present moment, a MacBook Pro is really the only way to have xCode and Android Studio on one device in a decent manner.

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Post by cmorgan31 »

coldtea wrote: post #159
wilde wrote: post #157

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I have literally this same list of problems on MacOS. Connecting to external screens is apparently hard. MacOS also ignores commands to lock the screen until it’s done changing screens. :(

> I have literally this same list of problems on MacOS. Connecting to external screens is apparently hard. Never had any problem connecting 3 different MacBook Pro's (across the years) to 3-4 different external monitors (Dell, LG, Samsung, etc) and to several projectors (including through a VGA adaptor and HDMI ones). > MacOS also ignores commands to lock the screen until it’s done changing screens. So for all of 2 s…

I personally enjoy my MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2016) but it has a problem with going to sleep after being plugged into an external monitor all day. I find at least 1/3rd of the time it has frozen after being disconnected from the monitor and I am forced to do a hard restart. Perhaps this is user error, but I do not remember having as much issue with the older generation. I use two Dell IPS monitors which are relatively new and connect via HDMI => USB-C adapter. It's an inconvenience which you shouldn't have to deal with on several thousand dollar laptops.

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Post by 2bitencryption »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #190
makecheck wrote: post #103

It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. Software matters, and how it integrates with hardware. And I keep waiting for them to fix just the basics in Windows 10. Not utterly losing both the sizes and positions of all windows just because the laptop was undocked. Not fai…

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

> I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger

I found the problem

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Post by wodenokoto »

hackujin wrote: post #102
tomnipotent wrote: post #99

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> and random stuff preinstalled It's less horrible if you buy MS hardware like the Surface - only a few games come pre-installed, unlike the misery HP & Dell inflict.

An OS should not have any bloatware at all. This should not exist and yet it does: https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10

One persons bloatware is another persons answer to "So .. what can I do?"

Every major OS distribution I know of come with at least 1-2 games

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Post by Implicated »

coldtea wrote: post #159
wilde wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have literally this same list of problems on MacOS. Connecting to external screens is apparently hard. MacOS also ignores commands to lock the screen until it’s done changing screens. :(

> I have literally this same list of problems on MacOS. Connecting to external screens is apparently hard. Never had any problem connecting 3 different MacBook Pro's (across the years) to 3-4 different external monitors (Dell, LG, Samsung, etc) and to several projectors (including through a VGA adaptor and HDMI ones). > MacOS also ignores commands to lock the screen until it’s done changing screens. So for all of 2 s…

> Never had any problem connecting 3 different MacBook Pro's (across the years) to 3-4 different external monitors (Dell, LG, Samsung, etc) and to several projectors (including through a VGA adaptor and HDMI ones).

Consider yourself lucky.

> So for all of 2 seconds it takes?

Most times. But occasionally I've seen the OS seemingly get confused/stuck in the process. Flickering, moving windows into various locations on the screen, taking 10-15 seconds to get back to functional/usable.

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Post by sigzero »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #204
squeaky-clean wrote: post #199

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Not the original commenter, but I do everything else in bash, and zero things in PS. Why would I want to remember which shell runs which program best?

That makes sense, however if you are Windows user, bash is not an obvious choice for primary shell there.

I don't think that is correct. If you install WSL you are not a typical Windows user.
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