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IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by j45 »

shitloadofbooks wrote: post #194
nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Usability is a big and important consideration in creating beginners.

Slack has been excellent at introducing irc inspired, and irc borrowed concepts of bots, channels, aliases to the masses.

Oddly slack had a pretty painful sign up in the beginning to keep people on different subdomains.

I'm not sure if today's modern standards are going to look much better looking back in 5 years.

Maybe the measure of old techs is how much they still dominate from what is transferable and endures, like the concept of IRC->Slack, email->messaging, and forums to social media.

There is a fair question to ask how many new things are novel, vs rebooted or reincarnated. Bittorrent maybe, blockchain for sure.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by Karunamon »

na85 wrote: post #204
shitloadofbooks wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water. Newer is not necessarily better.

And logging and services that aren’t hacky god clients and user accounts as first class and...

IRC has had literal decades to be improved and only now do people get serious about it after Slack and friends sucked all the oxygen out of the room.

Older isn’t necessarily better either. IRC has stagnated hard, about the only thing it has on the competitors is that it’s free.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by j45 »

na85 wrote: post #204
shitloadofbooks wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water. Newer is not necessarily better.

The lack of familiarity with irc from slack only users seems to reveal an unfamiliarity with irc being a connected universe of many slack sites being on one network.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by j45 »

bengarrr wrote: post #136
cmsj wrote: post #90

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IRC is and always will be, the greatest social network :)

But its not really a social network...BBSs were/are great too! Plus BBs let you actually manage content versus just chat and link. IRC is great and always will be but a social network it is not...and I doubt we are gonna see any real revival.

Irc created more new social connections than many networks that came after. Same goes for bbs. We need to find the next thing that truly connects people.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by jschwartzi »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #142
nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

> The internet has been inundated with the "average" people who unfortunately are not interested in "aplications" like mIRC/irssi/bitchX. You know, I have a hard time blaming "average" people for not wanting to use bitchX. That's a pretty huge unforced error in terms of marketing.

One man's stumbling block is another man's competency test.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by hueving »

shitloadofbooks wrote: post #194
nopacience wrote: post #76

Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Slack is not a successor to IRC because it's not a protocol. It's just another monolithic chat application.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by hueving »

Karunamon wrote: post #212
na85 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water. Newer is not necessarily better.

And logging and services that aren’t hacky god clients and user accounts as first class and... IRC has had literal decades to be improved and only now do people get serious about it after Slack and friends sucked all the oxygen out of the room. Older isn’t necessarily better either. IRC has stagnated hard , about the only thing it has on the competitors is that it’s free.

>about the only thing it has on the competitors is that it’s free.

It's more than 'free'. It's an open standard. You can write a slack client in your favorite language and it will continue to work for years.

Slack does not compete with that.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by jlgaddis »

bitexploder wrote: post #188
codemac wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A protocol existing is better than no protocol at all.

In the modern age of surveillance some protocols could be actively worse. Sad times, but IRC has no real place in the world of someone hoping to preserve their privacy.

> "... IRC has no real place in the world of someone hoping to preserve their privacy."

Why is that? IRC supports SSL, of course, and many IRC networks offer "cloaks" (to hide your IP address from other users) and/or permit connections via Tor.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by paulryanrogers »

hueving wrote: post #217
Karunamon wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And logging and services that aren’t hacky god clients and user accounts as first class and... IRC has had literal decades to be improved and only now do people get serious about it after Slack and friends sucked all the oxygen out of the room. Older isn’t necessarily better either. IRC has stagnated hard , about the only thing it has on the competitors is that it’s free.

>about the only thing it has on the competitors is that it’s free. It's more than 'free'. It's an open standard. You can write a slack client in your favorite language and it will continue to work for years. Slack does not compete with that.

^"[IRC] client and it will work for years" ?

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Post by hamandcheese »

na85 wrote: post #207
bitexploder wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the modern age of surveillance some protocols could be actively worse. Sad times, but IRC has no real place in the world of someone hoping to preserve their privacy.

Are you implying that discord, slack, et al have a better privacy model?

Signal, keybase, iMessage all have a better privacy model.
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