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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Yes they're switching to a full Chromium base so all Chrome extensions will be compatible. ETA for releasable build is Sept 7 according to: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/milestone/3

That's great! Will Chrome extension devs need to do anything special to enable compatibility?

I don't think so - the announcement from Brave mentions full extension API support with the move from Muon to Chromium: https://brave.com/development-plans-for-upcoming-release/

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

FWIW, I keep coming back to Opera which feels the snappiest on the latest MBP 13". Any real-world numbers?

Strangely, I've also found that Opera's android browser is by far the fastest, very noticeably.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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A few years ago, at least, chrome had a significantly better design, from a security perspective. Hopefully FF has caught up, but I haven't looked into it.

From /some/ security perspectives, not all. Enough to actually ditch firefox for all websites? The convenience of only using one browser seems to me to be pretty limited and is clearly a security concern in itself as opposed to using multiple. (How many is optimal? - Well how many are there? How easy is it for you to use each of them - make the call that suits you given your assessment of the concern.)

I don't see the security issue with using the one browser which is least likely to let a webpage root you.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Firefox is my "daily driver" for almost all browsing, and is also locked down with uMatrix, uBlock Origin, DecentralEyes and Ghostery (though I could probably drop Ghostery without missing it). Chrome has uBlock Origin and a few other things but interferes with pages less. I keep a set of pages for some specific web apps (e.g. GMail, Google Calendar, task management, etc.) open…

+1 for ff on android (because it can run extensions)

recommend checking out 'night light mode' for night browsing -- it does some things a little nicer like dims images and uses low contrast (full disclosure: i am the author. feedback welcome!)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/night-light-m...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I followed Eich to the Brave browser. It's really great, but the devtools still don't dock within the window but they're working on it. Firefox crucified their CEO over his PRIVATE conservative views and that was scary how quick the mob turns on someone. If they turned on the got damn inventor of javascript, how quick will they turn on your minion employee?

If a lot of employees are (very) uncomfortable with their CEO, that CEO is toxic for the company regardless of whether their views are private/public, right/wrong, just/unjust. One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited?

If where we are at now is the end result, then YES! The employees who truly had a problem should have simply quit and found another job. Most of them probably wouldn't have cared enough to quit.

Mozilla is irrelevant for me now. I just want a browser, I don't care about their political views.

This is also what I hate about Tim Cook and Apple, he's too political.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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This journalist does not seem to know about the tech world he reports about. Not a single word has been shed about all those high quality addons, that Firefox users once had, and how huge the quality gap is between Chromium based add-ons and what was available for Firefox. In my opinion, this is so extreme, that I switched over to Vivaldi browser, now that XUL is gone.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

Assuming these are all in ms, how do you conclude that Safari is faster than Chrome or Firefox? It's slower in almost every test.

Higher is better in Motion Mark, Speedometer, and Jetstream. ARES-6 is elapsed time.

Safari beat the other two browsers in all four benchmarks.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I really hope they take some time to introspect on how this happened for a second time. From an outsiders perspective it was placing everything on a rewrite and zero perceived progress for years.

It's good for the internet that Firefox succeeds. If they managed to take back the lead I hope they don't give it up a third time.

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