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Imagine most of those involved in regulations are barely able to use Word/Excel, yet are "elected" to decide the fate of technology.
And who is going to stop them, when even multi-million companies just shallow the pill(like GDPR) and even try to market it positively that they are gonna adopt it first.
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#212From the associated article about this supposed "link tax". > Anyone using snippets of journalistic online content must first get a license from the publisher. Re-publishing a portion of a published work is not a "link". A link is only a reference (address) where something (e.g. a published work) may be found, which not part of the work itself. Displaying a portion of work might be an allowed "fair use"? (I only know…
Plus, as another commenter said, this is not a copyright, but a related right – certain aspects of copyright like the requirement for the work to reflect some amount of original human creativity to enjoy protection do not apply.
You claim most links do not include snippets, but given the popularity of Facebook, Twitter & Co for sharing links, I'm not sure that's still true. Even then: Even the title of a page alone is a snippet (not specifically excluded from this planned regulation), and I bet the majority of hyperlinks on the web do include the title of the linked-to page.
As for the argument that only FB or Google would argue that small publishers will be disadvantaged by this, I refer to this lobbying organisation by independent publishers: http://mediapublishers.eu
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that sets a black and white option of not letting people find you through Google. But the alternative is letting Google scrape your content and give it to people directly from their site instead.
> But the alternative is letting Google scrape your content and give it to people directly from their site instead. No, that is not the alternative. The alternative is to allow citations as they are allowed everywhere else, i.e. small fractions of the content with attribution. For example, google currently may list the headline of an article and link to it. The proposal, which is based on a failed German law, is that…
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is no law against quitting your crappy job so you can learn a new trade. > Again, if people actually believed this and unemployment is really better than a crappy job then why don't they quit? Speaking from a German perspective there is such a law. They will cut your unemployment benefits if you can't prove you're hunting for a job, or just go around quitting them. Not sure about the states. We have a minimum…
> Speaking from a German perspective there is such a law. They will cut your unemployment benefits if you can't prove you're hunting for a job, or just go around quitting them. Then doesn't the same thing happen to the person who loses their job to a minimum wage increase? You can't spend all day learning a new trade if you have to spend all day chasing jobs you're not qualified to do yet. It seems like your quarrel…
This equation has two sides, remember? Minimum wages will benefit the poorest people the most by increasing their income, all while increasing prices generally - which everyone pays for. Among the poorest you will see an increase in purchasing power, while everyone else's will be slightly reduced. This isn't hard to grasp, really.
Also, at least in Germany, there has been no statistically significant change to general employment when the minimum wage was introduced. There have however been some marginal price increases as well as reduced employment (I didn't buy the oppositions arguments when the minimum wage was introduced, and I don't buy their same arguments now that they are against increasing it.
https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Downloads/Diskussionspapier...
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#215At this point, I'm just exhausted. I'm tired of fighting this battle that we lose every single step of the way. I kind of just want privacy, expression, user safety, and free speech on the web to be dead already so we can skip the inevitable grinding progression of crushing defeats as it dies bit after bit as we expend massive amounts of effort, will, emotion, and stress campaigning against the latest in a long line…
The fight is far from over. We still have crypto. If that is outlawed, we'll have steganography. When that's outlawed, well, we'll still have sneakers. Iron curtain and Stalins' organs failed. Stasi failed. War on drugs is failing. We, the people, shall prevail. Have hope, brother.
I use the Web to talk to people, learn things, and explore cool stuff other people made. If those other people aren't using the niche crypto/stegano services, then what am I going to use them for?
Yes, there will always be some way to have privacy online, if you're beardy enough and avoid using most popular consumer technology in favor of homegrown hackerly solutions. But a Web without the network effect is a Web that's no good at all for almost all the reasons I care. It'll be good for dissension, semi-legal activity, dubious porn, safety ... there's plenty of times that people need true privacy and security. But when your network's only good for that, then it'll still be dead in all the other ways that made the Internet so amazing.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the worst part is, ALL the heads of states of EU nations are in support of this law. The council approves of it. This means that even if you’d end the EU, these same people would still be able to pass the law.
The EU commission can get away with things that individual nations can not, because they are not subject to the same level of public scrutiny. If a controversial law is proposed in a national parliament, then it becomes big news. A politician pushing an unpopular agenda would eventually find him/herself voted out. But average people don't usually hear about laws the EU is creating until they're implemented. Hardly an…
You're absolutely right about the media.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Speaking from a German perspective there is such a law. They will cut your unemployment benefits if you can't prove you're hunting for a job, or just go around quitting them. Then doesn't the same thing happen to the person who loses their job to a minimum wage increase? You can't spend all day learning a new trade if you have to spend all day chasing jobs you're not qualified to do yet. It seems like your quarrel…
> Your argument is that raising consumer prices hurts rich people more than poor people? This equation has two sides, remember? Minimum wages will benefit the poorest people the most by increasing their income, all while increasing prices generally - which everyone pays for. Among the poorest you will see an increase in purchasing power, while everyone else's will be slightly reduced. This isn't hard to grasp, really…
The problem is most of the poor don't actually get that bump. None of the people who lose their jobs do, nor anyone who was already unemployed, nor the people whose wages were already just above the new minimum wage. But they all have to pay the higher prices.
> Also, at least in Germany, there has been no statistically significant change to general employment when the minimum wage was introduced.
This is quite unsurprising. The vast majority of people make more than minimum wage so instituting a minimum wage would have little to no effect on their employment. The loss of employment is to the people who had been making less than the new minimum wage.
People are often surprised how few people actually make minimum wage. It's a low single digit percentage of people.
> There have however been some marginal price increases as well as reduced employment (This is purporting to show the effects of a minimum wage that only existed for little more than a year when the studies were done. It takes longer than that for some companies to realign their operations with the new costs, e.g. to replace your checkout clerks with machines you have to negotiate with suppliers, evaluate the machines, deploy them, etc. In the meantime you keep the employees and eat the higher cost, but only temporarily.
This is why evaluating this kind of thing is extremely difficult. It can take a decade or more to fully shake out, but the number of confounders that can appear in that time frame make it difficult to distinguish the effects of the minimum wage from everything else that happens in the economy. That's why the issue remains contentious.
More annoyingly, studies in different economies are not comparable. To see why, imagine the effects of a $5000/hour minimum wage. Obviously an unemployment disaster. Meanwhile a $0.05/hour minimum wage would cause approximately no unemployment, but also yield no other benefits.
The amount of unemployment caused by a given minimum wage is determined by dynamic characteristics of the economy. The same minimum wage will cause different amounts of unemployment in Pennsylvania than California etc., or different amounts in 2005 than 2015.
It's all too easy to screw it up and end up on the wrong side of the equation. And even when it's "working" you're still severely screwing over a small percentage of the working poor in exchange for a very modest wage increase for the remainder.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest you look up the history of road building in the U.K. The holdout problem is far from insuperable, even without eminent domain.
Can you recommend any good sources on that?
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does anyone know how this "press" is defined in the proposal? More and more legal entities (governments, companies,...) seem to be moving to actively blurring lines so as to induce fines and damages. Suppose instead the proposal mandated any content hoster (press or not) to include a tag so that hosting software can be configured to suppress the inclusion of links to pages that contain the tag. Without such an explic…
In the Commission proposal: "‘press publication’ means a fixation of a collection of literary works of a journalistic nature, which may also comprise other works or subject-matter and constitutes an individual item within a periodical or regularly-updated publication under a single title, such as a newspaper or a general or special interest magazine, having the purpose of providing information related to news or othe…
The 'definition' is exactly as vague as I feared it to be:
Consider a blog, one could easily argue that it is a (samizdat) press publication, the blog has a name or title, is regularly updated, provides information to news or other topics and is published as a medium (everything on the web is published in the medium of HTML, PDF, ...) under the initiative, editorial responsibility and control of the "service provider" of whomever maintains the blog.
The same can be argued for any website, forum, government webpage (so we can't even safely link to government pages without exposing oneself to the risk of a fine!)
If the goal was not to expose normal daily citizen activity to the risk of fines, then they should simply require "press publications" to self-declare themselves to be such by means of a tag, or perhaps even better, by having those providers who WISH to be freely linked to provide a tag containing a cryptographic signature endorsing free circulation, such that upload filters can verify without users having to rely on decentralized lists of educated guesses of who would or would not sue for linking freely...
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#220This is blatant fear mongering. Furthermore, calling these directives 'link tax laws' is simply a cheap frame. You can link to articles freely. Including a snippet that has 'no independent economic significance' is allowed. Agreed, that is not very precise. But is that really such a big deal? Sure, you might get sued. That's life. You have to trust the reasonableness of the courts. And don't worry, they won't go afte…
Sure, you might get sued. That's life. You have to trust the reasonableness of the courts. And don't worry, they won't go after you. That line of reasoning is wrong on so many levels it's comical. And unfortunately, we keep on seeing this on the GDPR debate too.
'My startup may get sued' is not a good argument against a law.