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IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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The author's particular gripe is that the Watson advertisements showing someone sitting down and talking to "Watson." They bother me as well (and did so when I was working at IBM in the Watson group) because they portray a capability that nothing in IBM can provide. Nobody can provide it (again to the author's point) because dialog systems (those which interact with a user through conversational speech) don't exist o…

> Unfortunately many, many people think that talking to your computer in actually already possible, they just haven't experienced it yet.

Given how often another person can't correctly infer meaning when people talk, I doubt it will ever be how people imagine it.

Initially, I imagine it will be a lot of people trying to talk normally and a lot of AI responses asking how your poorly worded worded request should be carried out, choice A, or choice B. You'll be annoyed because why can't the system just do the thing that's right 90% of the time? The problem is that 10% of the time you're just not explaining yourself well at all and 10% is really quite a lot of the time, and probably ranges from a few requests to dozens of requests a day, and while being asked what you meant is annoying, having the wrong thing done can be catastrophic.

As humans, we get around this to some degree by modeling the person we are conversing with as thinking "what would they want to do right now", which is another class of problem for AIs I assume, so I think we may not get human level interaction until AI's can fairly closely model humans themselves.

I imagine we'll probably develop some AI pidgin language that provides more formality that as long as we follow it AI voice interactions become less annoying (but you have to spend a bit of time before to formulate it).

Then again, maybe I'm way off base. You sound like you would know much better than me. :)

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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I'm no expert in the field of AI or Machine Learning, so I have a question for the experts here? Has there been any theoretical breakthrough in the AI in the recent years? I knew we had neural networks and different types of classifiers, etc. for more than a few of decades now, so apart from better marketing, has there been a significant breakthrough that explains this sudden surge in the interest in AI?

> has there been a significant breakthrough that explains this sudden surge in the interest in AI?

Yes. Some tasks like language translation, face recognition etc. have reached human level performance. Why has this happened? Large data and increase in computing power (Thanks gamers and GPUs!).

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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The most ingenious trick that the IBM marketing department pulled was to get non-technical (and probably even technical people, judging by this thread) to think that Watson is some kind of singular thing. Like that it’s a single big neural network with different APIs on it, or something. I honestly think that’s what most people think Watson refers to. Watson is like Google Cloud Platform. It’s just a name for a platf…

I'm not even convinced Watson is a platform. My impression is that it's just a consulting division of the company that deploys teams to build solutions that are in some way related to AI, with each solution or implementation potentially being completely unique from the ground up. Perhaps someone from IBM can correct me though.

I used to work for IBM, on a backend service used by various Watson (and non Watson) branded projects.

I think federation would be a better term. There was a core set of APIs and hardware that might be called "Watson proper" but each market segment would be handled by a different organization. And then there was the proliferation of odd ball things out of research or little groups looking for growth/stability that get Watson branded.

Sometimes we'd be the first time a team relaizes there is already something doing what they've been building.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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post #203

The author's particular gripe is that the Watson advertisements showing someone sitting down and talking to "Watson." They bother me as well (and did so when I was working at IBM in the Watson group) because they portray a capability that nothing in IBM can provide. Nobody can provide it (again to the author's point) because dialog systems (those which interact with a user through conversational speech) don't exist o…

To be fair, you can kinda talk to Google assistant in a "question response" type capacity and it does pretty well.

You can also kinda talk to ELIZA.

Google Assistant, Apple Siri and Amazon Echo are all quite fancy natural language parsers. After parsing, it's just a group of "dumb" (wo)man-made widgets.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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post #167

The most ingenious trick that the IBM marketing department pulled was to get non-technical (and probably even technical people, judging by this thread) to think that Watson is some kind of singular thing. Like that it’s a single big neural network with different APIs on it, or something. I honestly think that’s what most people think Watson refers to. Watson is like Google Cloud Platform. It’s just a name for a platf…

I'm not even convinced Watson is a platform. My impression is that it's just a consulting division of the company that deploys teams to build solutions that are in some way related to AI, with each solution or implementation potentially being completely unique from the ground up. Perhaps someone from IBM can correct me though.

At my previous firm I worked with a pre-sales engineer who was formerly at IBM Watson before working at the firm. This is essentially it. Implementations of Watson were no different than doing an ERP project.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safer than human hardware does not imply safe . It means this will kill people but fewer people than humans would and they have actual data that backs this assertion up. The benchmark is not an alert, cautious, and sober driver because that's often not how actual people drive. So right now it's often safer to drive other times it really is safer to use autopilot, net result fewer people die.

But if you do happen to be an alert, cautious, and sober driver, it'd be unfortunate if Tesla's marketing led you to overly rely on Autopilot. Ideally Tesla's marketing would say it's safer than drunk, sleepy, and reckless drivers, though it might not sell as many Autopilots.

Autopilot should not be accessible to drivers until their driving habits have been assessed and baselined. If autopilot is known to drive more safely than the individual human driver in environments X, Y, and Z then it should be made available in those environments, if not encouraged. That might not make an easy sell since a major value prop is inaccessible to many of the people who really want to use it, but it's the most reasonable, safest path.

I also imagine that cars will learn from both human and each others' driving patterns over time, which (under effective guidance) should enable an enormous improvement in a relatively short period of time.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even convinced Watson is a platform. My impression is that it's just a consulting division of the company that deploys teams to build solutions that are in some way related to AI, with each solution or implementation potentially being completely unique from the ground up. Perhaps someone from IBM can correct me though.

I'm currently sitting in a meeting about implementing the Watson Enterprise Search product in my company and that is more or less the impression I've gotten. They sell it as a platform that is easy to customize and then once you're in they bill you tons of hours to help you because the system is indecipherable and poorly documented.

And that, folks, is enterprise software services/consulting in a nutshell!!

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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The numbers are wrong since it compares expensive new cars versus everything else(old cars with no safety features, bikes, buses) if you compare with similar cars you get numbers that are not in Tesla favor. So try not to spread this false numbers, also the Tesla numbers are not open to be examined by third parties.

Yep, as shown by the stats in the latter half of this article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-tesla-and-elon-musk-exagge... Disclosure: I am one of the co-authors

Why is applied physicist in quotes? Elon has a ivy league physics degree, was accepted at Stanford in applied physics, and has clearly applied a knowledge of physics at numerous companies.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Are you for real? Statistics prove that Tesla is right on this. I’m not saying human life has no value, and I do empathise with the people who lost someone due to a Tesla crash, but we can see what is the percentage. It IS lower compared to human error, and yes that includes DUI and every other time it was a human error. Tesla is safer for the community based on the statistical data. Also it is safer than a human dri…

> It IS lower compared to human error, What is lower and compared to what? I am tired of this vague misleading statements by Elon musk, Tesla and their supporters. They claimed Autopilot + driver is 40% safer than a driver alone. And that includes Automatic emergency braking. Is it a surprise that AEB reduces accidents? Why is that used as proof that Tesla's software is FSD. FSD implies that the car is capable of dri…

Its crazy how reasonable ycombinator is compared to reddit.

Reddit is dominated by tesla's marketing team. Upvoting, downvoting, and commenting.

Here you get a real discussion regarding Elon's outlandish promises.

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