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Fraud can occur when a party lies about assets it owns when entering into an agreement, which would be prevented if you had to present proof of ownership for any asset you claim to own? Most ponzi schemes would never happen.

You can own something, accept payment for it, and never actually relinquish ownership. Besides, the blockchain is only proof of ownership of things on the chain. Real world things are not covered at all.

Digital rights are real words things though. Other forms of rights that are not currently digital could be made digital too.

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Isn't he discussing cryptocurrencies in particular rather than blockchain in general? There are many uses for blockchain other than as a cryptocurrency. Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not an expert in blockchain by any means.

>There are many uses for blockchain other than as a cryptocurrency. Name one.

Prediction Markets

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Isn't he discussing cryptocurrencies in particular rather than blockchain in general? There are many uses for blockchain other than as a cryptocurrency. Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not an expert in blockchain by any means.

>There are many uses for blockchain other than as a cryptocurrency. Name one.

Logistics and proving provenance. Proof of location.

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Pretty much all the newer ones, Nano, Iota and Eth probably soon to. There is also a debate to use delegated PoS or a hybrid of PoS and PoW to get both of their upsides with none of tbeir downsides.

Iota is not a blockchain. It's also not a cryptocurrency. It's about 98% scam and 1% insane. and 1% Bosch.

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I think the idea is: * Website gives person a unique code to broadcast on the blockchain to prove they have control over that identity * 'Approved' services claim things publically about identities (eg age, allowed to drive) which others can use to verify claims What I don't get is: * how you know which 'approved' services to trust in the first place * why you'd want all of that information public * how it'd fix the…

You can treat the 'approved' services list using a whitelist, like a CA. The other issue is that none of this is necessary. If I want to prove to Person X that Gov Y says that I have property Z, why can't I just present a cryptographically signed certificate saying I have property X. You could even have a similar revocation list as CA.

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I think the idea is: * Website gives person a unique code to broadcast on the blockchain to prove they have control over that identity * 'Approved' services claim things publically about identities (eg age, allowed to drive) which others can use to verify claims What I don't get is: * how you know which 'approved' services to trust in the first place * why you'd want all of that information public * how it'd fix the…

You can treat the 'approved' services list using a whitelist, like a CA. The other issue is that none of this is necessary. If I want to prove to Person X that Gov Y says that I have property Z, why can't I just present a cryptographically signed certificate saying I have property X. You could even have a similar revocation list as CA.

revocation seems easier with the blockchain. it just comes with too much other baggage to feel worth it.

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There is no consensus definition of what a blockchain is. In fact the Satoshi whitepaper that introduced Bitcoin does not even use the word blockchain it talks about a hash chain of blocks a concept which predates Bitcoin by ~30 years. The real innovation of Bitcoin was to use PoW to both limit Sybil attacks and to make additions to the hash chain computationally expensive to revert. Often however when people talk ab…

If so many companies are doing things for the blockchain, are they storing in the same blockchain as bitcoin or are companies creating more blockchains and needing miners to help mine, etc,

We are still very much in the experimental phase of the technology and companies are taking many different approaches. Some companies are using Ethereum as their blockchain so they don't have to build and operate one. Other companies are launching blockchains by which they mean a ledger created by a set of trusted validators running a BFT algorithm (see Distributed Systems). Systems built on a trusted set of validators don't need miners as they don't use PoW.

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If so many companies are doing things for the blockchain, are they storing in the same blockchain as bitcoin or are companies creating more blockchains and needing miners to help mine, etc,

We are still very much in the experimental phase of the technology and companies are taking many different approaches. Some companies are using Ethereum as their blockchain so they don't have to build and operate one. Other companies are launching blockchains by which they mean a ledger created by a set of trusted validators running a BFT algorithm (see Distributed Systems). Systems built on a trusted set of validato…

That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. They really just mean a ledger. Doesn't one lose the trust if the ledger is not distributed and verified by outsiders? Using a trusted set of validators, I assume is an internal operation. They aren't asking "Joe Nobody" off the street to become a trusted validator...

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Can you explain? My understanding is we're all working on the same hard math problem, once a certain number of us have verified the answer (ie distributed consensus) one of us is given a reward to encourage further problem solving.

This is very much not what distributed consensus is. You don't "work on the same hard math problem" and you don't get "a reward to encourage further problem solving". Consensus is agreeing on a value among (almost) all protocol participants, and "distributed consensus" is proper technical term, not a vague definition by hand waving like "object oriented programming". Read about Byzantine Generals problem first.

Thanks for everything except the condescension!

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I do kind of find it annoying that we use the word distributed when its a clustered/consensus system. In my mind distributed should mean actors can work independently of each other but that's not really the case here. But this ship has sailed.

I'm not sure why a clustered system can't be distributed? One can always argue over taxonomy, but clustered systems are typically considered to be a type of a distributed system. I'm also super curious why you think blockchain systems don't have actors that work independently of each other? I was always under the impression that was the entire point.

>clustered systems are typically considered to be a type of a distributed system.

Sort of. However, a Perforce server with local replicas is not the same thing as a fully offline git transaction, for example.

>I'm also super curious why you think blockchain systems don't have actors that work independently of each other?

They work as part of the network but two users can't make a transaction without having to involve the network.

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