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Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by crtasm »

ci5er wrote: post #172
zaarn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be useful when you get mentioned, like for example, a user has pinged the moderator role where a quick reaction will be necessary. Desktop notifications can significantly reduce reaction time to important events (though, assuming you do the sane and set Discord to only notify you on mentions that aren't @here or @everyone)

If they need an immediate answer, they are not children and know how to use a phone (I would hope).

I'd imagine the majority of discord users don't share their phone numbers with the channel.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by ci5er »

crtasm wrote: post #211
ci5er wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they need an immediate answer, they are not children and know how to use a phone (I would hope).

I'd imagine the majority of discord users don't share their phone numbers with the channel.

Well, if you don't know me well enough to have my phone number, you certainly shouldn't have the privilege of making my computer beep at me, whenever the hell you feel like it. But, that's me. Maybe you like people interrupting you. (Or maybe you like interrupting people because you think you are too important to wait en queue.)

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by Sylos »

dmix wrote: post #18

> Firefox Private Browsing Mode will remove path information from referrers to prevent cross-site tracking Surprised this wasn't done yet.

Well, politics. As a browser vendor, you need to provide webpage owners ways to make (more) money, especially when other browsers that users are happily voting for, do provide these ways.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by Sylos »

ams6110 wrote: post #176

I use Firefox Focus on my phone (android). Anyone know if it tracks the full Firefox releases or is it something completely separate?

It's completely separate.

As in, it doesn't even use Gecko, it uses the native web engine of iOS/Android, so that's WebKit / Android Webview. With how many trackers and ads they block in Focus by default, they wouldn't exactly motivate webpage owners to support Gecko anyways, if they'd use Gecko in it.

This is the current release notes of Firefox Focus on Android: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/whats-new-focus-android...

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by finchisko »

udfalkso wrote: post #25
Piskvorrr wrote: post #7

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Sites have been replacing the actual API request with a HTML5 overlay, precisely because of this - only when clicking "notify me" does the actual permission get requested, with the requisite dialog. (The rationale is "once the permission is denied, there's no way to bring it up again; a dismissed HTML5 box can be brought up again an infinite number of times") As for me, I went for WebAPI Manager, which blocks most of…

Right. This is also the current standard approach for asking for iOS push permissions. Without intermediary dialog, the app can't try again.

But if user decline native dialog once, it will not be asked again (at least for location services). So intermediary dialog won't help on iOS.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by exodust »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #161
exodust wrote: post #72

Won't be updating beyond FF 55.0.3 because 'Status-4-Evar' add-on doesn't work with Quantum. Apparently it can't be updated to work with Quantum for reasons I don't know, but was mentioned on the support forum. Until such time as I can prevent the annoying floating URL pop-up in bottom corner when hovering over links, I won't be updating. I don't see why I can't have a harmless fixed status bar extending 100% at bott…

Used to prefer the status bar but am sort of used to not having it now. But I think the new way is broken also. Don't see why I have to look down to see the link target. Why can't it be a tooltip at the mouse pointer, perhaps below any alt text?

I would not choose to have a tooltip link hover, but you should be allowed to have it if you want. Via options, about:config, or possible via an extension.

In UI terms, the concept of a fixed footer is well established. We see it often on sites and applications. FF allows adjustment of the millisecond delay of the link text, but no control over other properties of that element. I don't get the logic. When vendors move the furniture around in their "security updates" it makes me distrust the updates, particularly when the furniture can't be moved back to how it looked before.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by zaarn »

ci5er wrote: post #212
crtasm wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd imagine the majority of discord users don't share their phone numbers with the channel.

Well, if you don't know me well enough to have my phone number, you certainly shouldn't have the privilege of making my computer beep at me, whenever the hell you feel like it. But, that's me. Maybe you like people interrupting you. (Or maybe you like interrupting people because you think you are too important to wait en queue.)

The discord server I moderate has a strict "don't ping moderators unless it's important" rule and in general anyone who just pings for shits and giggles gets quickly muted.

I like it when people interrupt what I do when the server I moderate and therefore are responsible for is atm being swarmed by people spamming senseless shit into the chat or someone going of the deep end and yelling racist slurs, thank you very much.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by Silhouette »

sp332 wrote: post #190
Silhouette wrote: post #164

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No, but somehow I get the feeling we're talking about entirely different levels of "slower" here. You're talking about GPU-accelerating complicated page renders. I'm talking about things like regularly seeing flashes of unstyled content on page load, which I thought we'd left behind somewhere in the last millennium.

I had a look around for other people with this problem, and all the examples I found were caused by extentions. Ghostery just fixed theirs a few days ago, for example. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c36

Based on the differences among different machines I use with Firefox installed, it is certainly possible that extensions are causing a lot of the degradation since Quantum, but I'm not sure assigning blame is interesting or useful here. The fact is that my experience as a Firefox user is now much worse than it was before. The new extension model was supposed to make things faster, more secure, more reliable, but sadly the result seems to have been very much the opposite.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by sp332 »

Silhouette wrote: post #218
sp332 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a look around for other people with this problem, and all the examples I found were caused by extentions. Ghostery just fixed theirs a few days ago, for example. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c36

Based on the differences among different machines I use with Firefox installed, it is certainly possible that extensions are causing a lot of the degradation since Quantum, but I'm not sure assigning blame is interesting or useful here. The fact is that my experience as a Firefox user is now much worse than it was before. The new extension model was supposed to make things faster, more secure, more reliable, but sadl…

The new extension model makes better extensions possible, but it isn't going to make good extensions appear out of thin air. It's not going to stop a buggy extension from causing FOUCs or slowing down the rendering of a page.

I don't want to make excuses if you're having a bad experience though. But I'm hopeful about the future of Firefox.

Re: Firefox 59 released

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Post by jimktrains2 »

Kliment wrote: post #155
jimktrains2 wrote: post #103

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The thing that kept me from upgrading was TreeStyleTabs, but there is a non-XUL version of it which works fairly well. While it is a pain, it's not as if Mozilla removed XUL support with no warning. What addons are you missing? Perhaps we can find updates or replacements?

Session manager is the main one that's missing for me. Nothing else can reliably selectively restore a session with full history and unloaded tabs on startup after a crash for me.

Interesting. I've never had an issue with the built-in session restore functionality. I'm not dismissing you, but asking what issues you've had with it (so that I can watch out for them.)
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