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Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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mathgenius wrote: post #58
krautt wrote: post #53

So it's going to get warmer, sea levels will rise. coastlines will move inland as sea levels rise. Typically colder areas will become more tropical. Other than displacing a large number of people who live on coastlines, what's the big deal? Insult me for my niavety if it makes you feel better, but I honestly don't know the answer.

How about the Syrian civil war? "global warming is said to have played a role in sparking the 2011 uprising. Severe drought plagued Syria from 2007-10, causing as many as 1.5 million people to migrate from the countryside into cities, exacerbating poverty and social unrest." http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/2/syrias-civil-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War#Drought

Also Boko Haram: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/m...

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Red_Tarsius wrote: post #63
krautt wrote: post #53

So it's going to get warmer, sea levels will rise. coastlines will move inland as sea levels rise. Typically colder areas will become more tropical. Other than displacing a large number of people who live on coastlines, what's the big deal? Insult me for my niavety if it makes you feel better, but I honestly don't know the answer.

> So it's going to get warmer The life cycle of countless animals and plants is finetuned to our current climate. Crops are also at the mercy of weather patterns. We have no idea whether our food sources will get through the changes. Example of unknown unknown: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/australia-green-... > What's the big deal? We are talking about hundreds of millions of starving people moving awa…

> We have no idea whether our food sources will get through the changes.

Actually we do, chances are temperature increase by the end of the century will make agriculture impossible in most part of the lands of the planet.

> What's the big deal?

Simply put, it is a matter of destroying the conditions favorable to human life on this planet.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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giarc wrote: post #73
flycaliguy wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ticks are getting worse in my neck of the woods. If they keep getting worse, that would really suck.

Your comment is a bit greyed out, meaning you are getting downvotes. However you are right. Climate change means migration of disease vectors such as ticks and mosquitos into places they didn't survive before. One only has to look at Zika virus and the Aedes mosquito as an example.

Look at how Lyme Disease is getting into Canada (Ontario and Quebec) with climate change allowing ticks to expand their territory.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by bigbugbag »

RandomCSGeek wrote: post #98
krautt wrote: post #53

So it's going to get warmer, sea levels will rise. coastlines will move inland as sea levels rise. Typically colder areas will become more tropical. Other than displacing a large number of people who live on coastlines, what's the big deal? Insult me for my niavety if it makes you feel better, but I honestly don't know the answer.

A huge part of world's population lives on coastal cities. When cities like Mumbai and Dhaka will start to submerge, you can imagine the havoc that will cause. Also, some countries like maldives will completely submerge. I don't think europeans would be very happy about accepting these people, given the situation that has arisen from Middle eastern migration. A lot of wildlife requires specific environmental situatio…

Most of what you mention is actually a problem solving itself. One of the cause of man made climate change is overpopulation, with most of the human population being crammed into megacities of which many are coastal it means the overpopulation will probably fix itself with people living in big cities mass dying. Big and not that big cities do not produce enough food and water for themselves, density of population means they will be hotspots for contagious diseases, means of transportation out of those cities do not allow for mass migration, all these and more means those people are likely to die.

On the other hand people living in the countryside, are able to grow food, have knowledge of local plants and generally can sustain themselves have much better chance to survive the catastrophic events to come.

Though some experts think a war over water between India and China is possible, other think the collapse will happen so fast that it will wipe all possibility of military action and leave only people that will have no choice but work together to survive. This scenario is also likely.

It's been a while since I've been in India but imho this is one the places on earth with potential to survive climate change.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by bigbugbag »

lazyjones wrote: post #134
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge part of world's population lives on coastal cities. When cities like Mumbai and Dhaka will start to submerge, you can imagine the havoc that will cause. Also, some countries like maldives will completely submerge. I don't think europeans would be very happy about accepting these people, given the situation that has arisen from Middle eastern migration. A lot of wildlife requires specific environmental situatio…

> When cities like Mumbai and Dhaka will start to submerge, you can imagine the havoc that will cause. Actually, no, I can't. This won't happen overnight, cities will just slowly move away from the coastline. It will take hundreds of years to cover such cities with water (if ever).

Current estimations say this could happen around 2040-2050 and will happen before the end of the century. so not centuries but decades. And it will happen as the rise of sea level would not stop even if we stopped the increase of temperature instantly due to inertia.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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danmaz74 wrote: post #106
krautt wrote: post #53

So it's going to get warmer, sea levels will rise. coastlines will move inland as sea levels rise. Typically colder areas will become more tropical. Other than displacing a large number of people who live on coastlines, what's the big deal? Insult me for my niavety if it makes you feel better, but I honestly don't know the answer.

If the temperature increases several degrees, hundreds of million - maybe even billion - of people will be displaced not just from the coastlines, but also from areas becoming desertified. Can you imagine the economic distress, humanitarian crises, and the conflicts this can generate?

I think you are downplaying it a bit here. The temperature is already well on its path of increasing several degrees. Economy will probably cease to exist. There will be no humanitarian crisis but simply people mass dying. The "conflicts" may be nukes or sticks and stones but there's also a possibility that there will be relatively few conflicts depending on the strength of the culture of selfish in the local area.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by bigbugbag »

pmarreck wrote: post #90
krautt wrote: post #53

So it's going to get warmer, sea levels will rise. coastlines will move inland as sea levels rise. Typically colder areas will become more tropical. Other than displacing a large number of people who live on coastlines, what's the big deal? Insult me for my niavety if it makes you feel better, but I honestly don't know the answer.

Most first-worlders won't see much difference. Poor people in equatorial regions that are already on the edge of uninhabitability without air conditioning will start to experience actual uninhabitability unless underground or air-conditioning solutions are procured (and even then, things will get very very uncomfortable outdoors for portions of the year) Again, this will affect the most vulnerable people on the earth…

I'm a first worlder and I've been seeing the difference for over a decade now. I'm close to convinced that first world is the worst place to be as the chances of survival are the worst due to the country being almost entirely dependent on importations for its needs and has outsourced most and lost its ability to sustain itself while lacking reserves.

I think first worlders will be among those hit the harder because they will lose almost everything they're used to and left with the inability to live as the grand parents did for they have forgotten this knowledge.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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yters wrote: post #82
WhitneyLand wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the problem really not knowing? Because even you don’t know, is it not enough that virtually all credible scientists are warning us of the very bad things we are at risk of? I know you are not debating the issue, but to me one of the most interesting questions is why do people deny this even when they have no vested interest? One obvious answer is that it’s become a party platform issue and those that do have an i…

For me it is hand wavy doomsday scenarios that makes me skeptical, along with hand wavy predictions that don't come true. My thought is that if it truly was as serious as people say, the evidence and argument would feel a lot more solid and there would be less fearmongering.

I'm not sure what doomsday scenarios and failed predictions you're referring to but even though for some reason it feels otherwise to you evidence and argument is quite solid.

Seems you may be victim of a bias of some kind here[1], or have been exposed to some misinformation of some kind.

[1]: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2017/01/30/yanss-094-how-motiva...

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by bigbugbag »

gaius wrote: post #125
WhitneyLand wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the problem really not knowing? Because even you don’t know, is it not enough that virtually all credible scientists are warning us of the very bad things we are at risk of? I know you are not debating the issue, but to me one of the most interesting questions is why do people deny this even when they have no vested interest? One obvious answer is that it’s become a party platform issue and those that do have an i…

is it not enough that virtually all credible scientists are warning us of the very bad things we are at risk of? The public perception is that science keeps warning of imminent disasters that keep not happening. Climate profiteers like Al Gore have totally undermined the credibility of science.

I'm not sure what allows you to speak in the name of the public but the disasters science warns us about is currently happening.

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/67/12/1026/46052...

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