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Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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Considering your reply and because I now have a lot of opinions to share, I think I might write a Joy of Software and Woodworking article. I feel like I can condense it down to how I figured out how to piece together the parts (cad, cam, cnc, wood) to make the whole.

I’d certainly read it. I don’t own a wood CNC but I’d like to in the future to build some really cool stuff. Anything that lets me do more with software beyond building web apps is always fun.

Look around for a local makerspace / hackerspace. We have two different size wood CNCs at ours, plus light-weight coworking. No citrus or cucumber water though and members do the cleaning (for now).

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But the problem is, the industry is trending toward just doing the open office thing. Cubes are on their way out, and places that offer private offices for developers are few and far between. We're not the one's shouting our preferences at everyone else; we're the ones having the preferences of others thrust upon us.

You're right, it's the extroverts who are thrusting their preferences on the introverts. So what? Which would you rather do, get revenge on the extroverts, or come up with a solution that's amenable to both introverts and extroverts? If all the introverts are doing is complaining about open offices and demanding private offices, they're turning this into a zero-sum game where in order for introverts to win, extrovert…

No, don't try to put this on the introverts. And don't try to paint this as trying to "get revenge." I'm fine with having mixed spaces. But the extroverts are the ones in charge, and they're the ones that are, again, forcing their preferences, instead of asking. They are the ones that need to come to the middle and meet the rest of us.

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They want an office that matches their personality. And apparently, that means beer on tap and lots of it. The office looked like the lobby of a hipster hotel. Over the next few weeks, we showed up each day and tapped away on MacBook Airs to the sounds of Portuguese house music and old-school hip hop piped in through speakers. (“Rap is urban, and so is WeWork,” the company explains online. “But more profoundly, the c…

I always wonder what Apple Mac coffee shop workers are actually working on. The closest I got to seeing someone working, it looked like cutting some parts out of a photo using something like photoshop. (Not exactly rocket science.)

I don't really like coffee or the burnt smell so I mostly work from places like the library, sports bar, McDonalds, mall food court, etc. but I'm at one or the other a couple times a week, chipping away at iOS, Android, or macOS apps.

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I prefer to wait until the work day has finished and then go to the pub and have a beer or two. I don't really understand the appeal of drinking at work (which seems more prevalent in US), surrounded by office equipment and computers, it's not really relaxing. Plus there might be people still in the office at 5pm who actually have something important to do and it's not really fair that they then have to try to work w…

If everyone is complaining about their office being too noisy, how can an even noisier pub be more relaxing than that?

Well, they're not trying to work there...

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> No one talks to anyone from other companies, to the point of awkwardness Haha yeah. It helps to have a few women around, but especially when there are lots of male IT coworkers present this is definitely a thing.

Funnily enough, the couple of times I've done co-working it was the women who were the problem. One was very aggressive, always having loud arguments on the phone and slamming doors as she left the building. Another one seemed to think that because she and her partner were renting 2 desks this made her twice as a important as anyone else? She was playing music one day so I asked her to turn it down. She never spoke t…

Didn't want to imply that women are better people - I had a female sales rep in the office for some time that talked on the phone a lot and did so very loudly with complete disregard for everyone else, I wanted to throw her out the window. Never had bad experiences with female software devs though.

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I’d certainly read it. I don’t own a wood CNC but I’d like to in the future to build some really cool stuff. Anything that lets me do more with software beyond building web apps is always fun.

Look around for a local makerspace / hackerspace. We have two different size wood CNCs at ours, plus light-weight coworking. No citrus or cucumber water though and members do the cleaning (for now).

How does it compare to having something like a Shapeoko at home?

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Also alcohol flowing at work? I’m no teetotaler but isn’t that a recipe for trouble? Assuming we’re not just talking about sharing a few beers after hours. I’ve worked with people who drank on the job to the point where they were working totally shitfaced, and it’s not pretty. If they’re meeting with other teams or customers, they’re going to be an embarrassment, and if they’re checking in code... let’s not even go t…

Drinking in general is a really bad idea. I use it as a good and clear signal for who not to associate with, personally and professionally. I am all for having more opportunities for drunkards to expose themselves.

Drunkard here, nice to meet you. I think it’s a bit unfair to pass judgement on such a human tradition as consuming alcohol. All things in moderation, as they say.

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> What is missing from co-working spaces is some kind of housekeeping rules and enforcement... What’s missing is simple walls. Four walls with a door. What’s missing is privacy and silence, which we have apparently collectively decided is not necessary for all tech work.

You can rent private offices at wework, they just cost more ;)

At this point I’m about to start my own anti-coworking company called MeWork. It’s like WeWork, except every office is private. ;)

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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I work in a shared office / coworking space. We have 3 desks in a large open plan office with a kitchen area. It's about 10 feet from my desk. Most of the time it's just me from our company as the other devs work from home or work out the main office. My experience of working in this shared space: * It's noisy. I mean really noisy, noise cancelling headphones are a must. Like I said the kitchen area is near my desk,…

Anecdotal reply, hot-desking at WW in central London. * Some days noisy, some days very quiet. I have great headphones, but find myself more productive than when I worked at home. People are noisy, but generally the 'hum' is a sensible level, and it's only really irritating if someone is on Skype and conversing without headphones in (I'm not sure why that's more annoying that overhearing a face to face conversation,…

> I'm not sure why that's more annoying that overhearing a face to face conversation

That's because the brain is trying to fill in the missing part of the conversation, no matter what we want.

See: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hearing-just-one-h...

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