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You're welcome to stick with your pseudoscientific fad diets, it has no effect on my life.
of course you have nothing to say when factual data gets involved :) good luck
Ancel Keys study which started the low fat craze was absolutely bad science. The way John Yudkin’s career was subverted is certainly evidence of conspiracy. The article doesn’t make a good job of refuting those claims, especially considering quotes like this one: > the sugar industry convened a panel of heart disease consultants, including a National Institutes of Health (NIH) scientist, which debated a possible “ant…
It's making the case that scientists were working on incomplete information, and that while industry pressure informed what research was done and publicized, there also simply wasn't at the time enough evidence for anybody to have known the effects of sugar were so problematic.
So the article is really considering intent, and the idea is that the outcome was a result of understandable ignorance rather than malice and coverup. I find that plausible, at least initially. The nature of science is that consensus evolves over time, and while industry funding may have skewed what research was done and publicized, thus allowing incorrect assumptions to live longer than ideal, it is possible that people were all still acting in good faith along the way.
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of course you have nothing to say when factual data gets involved :) good luck
I would have something to say if you came with actual data. I've provided expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad. You've provided nothing but emotional arguments and pseudoscience.
the actual data is that protein consumption on keto is 1g per kilogram of bodyweight.
the question is why do you think that is "overeating protein", and if you don't - you're obviously thinking of a different number and the question becomes what it is and where did you get that number?
> expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad
expert opinion is by definition not objective, it's an opinion. you haven't even provided any evidence that keto is "bad". from everything you've said the only conclusion i can make is that you have no idea what keto is at all.
Perhaps there was no sugar conspiracy. In that case, an entire industry (along with government nutrition teams) went along with an incorrect theory for so long that it accounted for millions of chronic illnesses and trillions of dollars spent in the wrong direction. So there was no conspiracy. It seems - in either case - to be one of the greatest misapplications of science in history. At least the “flat earth” theory…
The term for that is Stand Alone Complex: http://www.ghostintheshellphilosophy.info/#stand-alone-compl...
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I would have something to say if you came with actual data. I've provided expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad. You've provided nothing but emotional arguments and pseudoscience.
> I would have something to say if you came with actual data. the actual data is that protein consumption on keto is 1g per kilogram of bodyweight. the question is why do you think that is "overeating protein", and if you don't - you're obviously thinking of a different number and the question becomes what it is and where did you get that number? > expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad expert opinio…
You're putting your body in an emergency state and stressing your overall health. It can work short term, if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis), but it absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term, unless you have a very specific medical need (such as epilepsy).
And as always, short term diets are silly and can cause more harm than good. Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets.
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> I would have something to say if you came with actual data. the actual data is that protein consumption on keto is 1g per kilogram of bodyweight. the question is why do you think that is "overeating protein", and if you don't - you're obviously thinking of a different number and the question becomes what it is and where did you get that number? > expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad expert opinio…
The only positive thing keto does (as a side effect) is cut down on simple sugars. Everything else is counterproductive at best. You're putting your body in an emergency state and stressing your overall health. It can work short term, if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis), but it absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term, unless you have a very specific medical need (such as epilepsy). And…
> emergency state
nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful.
> if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis)
ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unless you are trying VERY hard. seriously, inform yourself on the topic https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis
> absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term
you know that because?
> Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets
totally agree. the difference is that i know that keto is a valid long term lifestyle and there is no evidence of it being harmful, while the benefits i observe every day.
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The only positive thing keto does (as a side effect) is cut down on simple sugars. Everything else is counterproductive at best. You're putting your body in an emergency state and stressing your overall health. It can work short term, if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis), but it absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term, unless you have a very specific medical need (such as epilepsy). And…
so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT KETO IS"? > emergency state nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful. > if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis) ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unl…
In an emergency
Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
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so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT KETO IS"? > emergency state nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful. > if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis) ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unl…
>it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
> Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations.
it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?
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>it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unle…
What? Hell no.
I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that.
No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus.
And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005....
https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
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so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unle…
>fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works , without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with…
> healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle
there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet
> long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus.
yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609
9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment.
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.....
retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters
Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up.
> https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in....
more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111....
evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy
Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation.
do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures.
making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.