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SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by Clanan »

FireBeyond wrote: post #207
Clanan wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, blame them too. If a bill fails, blame everyone who voted against it. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Of course, then you have a situation where politicians (on both sides) will grandstand if the outcome is already decided. For example, if a CR is guaranteed to fail, a moderate Republican will vote against it to appease his base. But if his was the deciding vote, he would vote to pass it to appease his party.…

> Sure, blame them too. You say, now. After mentioning how Democrats are to blame at least eight separate times in this thread, and mentioning how Republicans are also to blame... none, until this comment.

44 D vs. ~3 R and 8 comments vs. 1. If anything I was generous!

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bsimpson wrote: post #60
bambax wrote: post #28

As a foreigner the whole government shutdown is a thing of wonder: how does it work exactly? For instance, is there no police anymore? How does Congress stay in session during a shutdown? Where does electricity in federal buildings come from if the Federal govt can't pay for it?

This is the thing that blew my mind last time: The shoreline of San Francisco is a national park (donated when the military base here closed). There's a restaurant on the shore called Cliff House, whose landlord is the US government. During the shutdown, the government forced the restaurant, a private establishment, to close. The owners and the kitchen staff were not allowed to make a living. And because they aren't…

Ohhh Cliff House was one of my key xp when visiting San Francisco!

If US is owner and they shut down the restaurant place, don't they loose money by not making rent?! How is that making sense?

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Post by alkonaut »

ars wrote: post #173
kasey_junk wrote: post #148

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It is impossible for this not to be a political topic and I probably shouldn’t be even discussing it here, but whatever. What would be the reasonable thing for the democrats to do right now? They weren’t allowed to see the tax bill. That’s what happens when something has the 51 republicans and it can’t be filibustered in the current environment. Further, the republicans haven’t even brought a bill forward to be filib…

Except they are hurting tons of people in the US in exchange for strategy. That's simply not right. And of all issues DACA? It's important to some people, but as a national topic it's pretty minor. > What would be the reasonable thing for the democrats to do right now? Realize they are weak and accept it. Then take the offer they were given and do the best they can. But don't hurt unrelated people in the US to try to…

The 51 seat party should simply out forward a bill that can be accepted by 60 seats. If they fail, they should take 100% responsibility. Republicans have to concede that those last 9 seats are democrat seats and the power of those seats is (perhaps unfairly) almost as big as the 51 first seats, but the responsibility still lies with the majority to govern.

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Post by stcredzero »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #194
stcredzero wrote: post #177

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I can't say that I've ever seen that the private sector has a clear advantage, otherwise they would already have taken over running everything. An entity that can rig the courts, the laws, and the regulations to its favor has an advantage. Sure these are just anecdotes. But it puts a hole in the claim that the private sector is ALWAYS better. Yeah, that's just magical thinking nonsense. You have to take the situation…

> An entity that can rig the courts, the laws, and the regulations to its favor has an advantage. You really think the garbage collection department has that much influence?

You really think the garbage collection department has that much influence?

By itself, no, but perhaps the politicians behind the political deals to change the garbage collection department do.

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Post by mikeash »

Clanan wrote: post #208
tptacek wrote: post #183

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As a national issue, deporting people who should by rights be citizens and have known no other country than ours, many of whom are parents of actual American citizens, children, citizens, who might not even know Spanish, that's a minor issue?

In comparative terms it's minor: 35 million enrolled in CHIP [0] (shutdown) vs. 3.5 million DACA. Hopefully all would agree that neither is minor from a moral standpoint. [0] https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/program-information/medica...

CHIP funding ran out some time ago. The party in power was free to renew it at any time since then. They chose not to.

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Post by muthdra »

Taniwha wrote: post #196
spike021 wrote: post #189

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Not sure how that launch is relevant, here.

They don't need a govt funded/owned/run launch space to launch, they built their own

Their government doesn't have a launch pad.

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Post by Clanan »

mikeash wrote: post #215
Clanan wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In comparative terms it's minor: 35 million enrolled in CHIP [0] (shutdown) vs. 3.5 million DACA. Hopefully all would agree that neither is minor from a moral standpoint. [0] https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/program-information/medica...

CHIP funding ran out some time ago. The party in power was free to renew it at any time since then. They chose not to.

... Until they did? Your comment is true of all bills and all proposals. "Party X was free to vote on it, they chose not to. Until they chose to." Furthermore, the minority had promised to veto all funding unless DACA was included, at all times. Regardless, the above comment was simply pointing out the difference in terms of magnitude.

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Post by mikeash »

Clanan wrote: post #217
mikeash wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CHIP funding ran out some time ago. The party in power was free to renew it at any time since then. They chose not to.

... Until they did? Your comment is true of all bills and all proposals. "Party X was free to vote on it, they chose not to. Until they chose to." Furthermore, the minority had promised to veto all funding unless DACA was included, at all times. Regardless, the above comment was simply pointing out the difference in terms of magnitude.

Maybe the simple reading of the statement is true of everything, but what’s unique here is that it was deliberately held up so it could be used as a bludgeon during the shutdown negotiations.

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Post by greglindahl »

vpribish wrote: post #185
pwaai wrote: post #184

I'm thinking losing a billion dollar spy satellite might play a factor here. Also the timing of the US government shutdown couldn't have been more damaging.

nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that spacex's launch of Zuma was anything but a success. Also, in what way is this the most damaging possible timing?

The timing wasn't that damaging. SpaceX has been working on Falcon Heavy for a long time, and a delay of the length of the typical government shutdown is not that big of a deal.

Turns out this delay was shorter than average anyway.

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Post by greglindahl »

pwaai wrote: post #191
vpribish wrote: post #185

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nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that spacex's launch of Zuma was anything but a success. Also, in what way is this the most damaging possible timing?

then what the hell is this? https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/the-zuma-satellite-l... are you saying they conspired to announce a false failure to hide the spy satellite?

You're welcome to push whatever conspiracy theory you like, but Occam's Razor is currently voting for the satellite failing to separate from the second stage.
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