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Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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The main skill of Cannonball is to be more reckless than others and see what you can get away with. I don't want to meet some sleep deprived and probably drugged up "racers" on the road. If they want endurance they can do a 24 hour race. If they want a difficult track they can go to the Nuerburgring in Germany and do the 24 our race there. Or just try it in the wet.

No, the main skill is planning. Whether or not you're endangering other people it's hard to cover lots of miles quickly on roads with other people. Nobody who's serious about a good time is going to be on a crowded road. It's a waste of time. You have to balance your route planning between weather, peak commuter hour, shortest route, fuel stops, speed traps, etc, across a few thousand miles and a few time zones. The…

No, the main skill is planning.

That's the main skill of the Iron Butt Rally (www.ironbutt.com), in which I have previously had a podium placing. Because of the structure of the rally (which is not how fast can you go from point-to-point), logistical considerations are your biggest enemy. Can I get from point A to point B, with optional out-of-the-way stops at points X, Y, and Z, and still get to B on time (with heavy penalties if you're late)? Get a ticket, and the organizers find out (and they will), you're out. The organizers try very hard to keep speed out of the rally. As they say, it's a rally and not a race.

But I'll tell you what, when it's just after sunrise in the Panhandle of Texas, there isn't a car on the road, and I need to be in L. A. in twelve hours, well, let's just say legality isn't at the top of my list. The harsh reality is that if time is a consideration at all, then pragmatism says that the faster you go, the more time you have to sleep, eat, or add Point W to your list of stops. That's largely why I quit participating in such events, because unless they want to do it timed rally style (IOW, you must be at fixed points neither early or late), all the platitudes in world aren't going to keep the speeds down.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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I'm a Tesla fan, but in the middle of the article, it says: "The two completed the cross-country drive in 50 hours and 16 minutes, setting a new electric Cannonball Run record." That's not quite the same as the headline... It looks like petrol cars have done it in under 27 hours http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/ny-la-26-hours-28-m...

There needs to be a real race where everyone sticks to the speed limits with penalty times applied for every second above the speed limit, with proper driver breaks and everything else truckers obey. Simple rule set. Of course journey times would be nearer 50 than 28 hours but there could be other prizes for fuel efficiency, luck at the lights and so on.

Also, there is the suitability of the car, I imagine a Tesla would be better than Rolls Royce luxury if you need to be in the thing for 50 hours.

Stock cars with speed limits may not sound like fun but it would be accessible. Maybe the 'golf ball run' where you have to take a set of golf clubs across the country to tee off into both oceans in record time could be the notional goal of such an event. It would also give an excuse for some faux golfing style in the fashion department.

Incidentally, in 1933 the petrol record was around today's EV time.

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A problem here is everyone's personal anecdotes are different. I have an uncle that has driven 10-12 hour hauls between Kentucky and Louisiana enough that he doesn't blink at doing it all in one day, with as minimal a break as possible. On the flipside, I know that my limit before wanting to murder people and/or feeling bone-weary exhaustion is somewhere between 4-5 hours cumulative in a day, regardless of the number…

You make some really good points here. I'm no stranger to long roadtrips; I do Detroit-to-NYC at least every few years, and I've gotten pretty comfy with Detroit-to-Orlando with an overnight stop. It's been a few years since doing Vegas straight-through with a co-driver, but I've done that a few times too. The trips where I have plenty of time and can stop and go for a jog, or hike up some scenic terrain and take som…

I would think EV chargers should be a tourism gold mine in the near-ish future. A 20 to 30-minute-ish semi-captive audience should be making a lot of business owners drool right now.

I'd been considering for some time that if I were McDonald's corporate right now, I'd be examining EV chargers right now for a potential amenity to sell to franchisees (or possibly even to require from franchisees ahead of demand curves to create favorable headwinds).

I hadn't thought about gym chains, but that's also a great idea. "EV charging at any of our gyms around the country" / "Stop in on your next road trip" just might be an amenity that could sell some gym memberships.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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You make some really good points here. I'm no stranger to long roadtrips; I do Detroit-to-NYC at least every few years, and I've gotten pretty comfy with Detroit-to-Orlando with an overnight stop. It's been a few years since doing Vegas straight-through with a co-driver, but I've done that a few times too. The trips where I have plenty of time and can stop and go for a jog, or hike up some scenic terrain and take som…

I would think EV chargers should be a tourism gold mine in the near-ish future. A 20 to 30-minute-ish semi-captive audience should be making a lot of business owners drool right now. I'd been considering for some time that if I were McDonald's corporate right now, I'd be examining EV chargers right now for a potential amenity to sell to franchisees (or possibly even to require from franchisees ahead of demand curves…

Thinking about McDonald's comment a bit more: McDonald's optimized for fast turnover, so maybe they aren't the best fit. Instead you might want a sit-down restaurant chain like one of Darden's, such as Olive Garden. Picture "Unlimited soup, salad, breadsticks, and EV charging."

It's funny because it could be evolutionary pressure back away from the drive-through model. You could even imagine the classic Drive-In model making a big comeback. A Sonic restaurant already looks like a modern EV charger facility from a distance. (Though personally, I don't ever eat in my car, so that has less appeal to me.)

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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The question is, “can Tesla build a production pipeline before its ability to raise money ends?” In other words “whether” and “when” aren’t different questions in this case.

I think people are underestimating the runway Tesla has, here. Tesla didn't even die in 2008. Now, they have a huge customer base, two other high-end car lines that are themselves doing well, and an enormous amount of goodwill plus a big moat (for charging in particular, at least in the US). Not only that, but SpaceX is doing fantastically well unlike in 2008. I think the hardcore bears are just plain wrong, here. I…

People also forget that a Tesla has a magnitude fewer moving parts than a ICE(internal combustion engine) car.

The big issue in scaling up is making enough battery packs. Which is a question of ‘when’.

Once they have a monopoly on cheapest battery packs and enough superchargers, a Tesla model 3 is cheaper to maintain, cheaper to run and similar price to an ICE auto, probably better performance.

Unless they fuck it up, BE battery electric is the way to go. Energy to motion, Tesla does more than 100MPG.

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The question is, “can Tesla build a production pipeline before its ability to raise money ends?” In other words “whether” and “when” aren’t different questions in this case.

I think people are underestimating the runway Tesla has, here. Tesla didn't even die in 2008. Now, they have a huge customer base, two other high-end car lines that are themselves doing well, and an enormous amount of goodwill plus a big moat (for charging in particular, at least in the US). Not only that, but SpaceX is doing fantastically well unlike in 2008. I think the hardcore bears are just plain wrong, here. I…

>>I think the hardcore bears are just plain wrong, here. I don't know whether or not Tesla is over-valued

The misconception I think a lot of Tesla fans have is that great product = great business. How much do you think Tesla's business is worth? A billion dollars? A trillion? Probably not the latter, and if they depended on that valuation to continue to do business (by virtue of access to continued investment), it wouldn't matter how great their cars are.

Their actual market cap is 50 billion dollars, more than Ford, and they will need to raise more money to continue operations. Ford makes 500 times more cars than them (based on some quick Googling, .3% market share of cars vs 15% for Ford). So if you're thinking Tesla is not overvalued, you have to think that Tesla will acquire a truly massive chunk of the car market, at the expense of well funded incumbents who have a head start in many aspects of car manufacturing and branding.

My point is that whether or not Tesla is overvalued is as important as whether or not their cars are great. I think their cars are great, but I'm a Tesla bear because I think expecting them to justify even a tenth of their valuation is unlikely.

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Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate…

If you read any of the stuff from Fokelore.org you'd realize how mistaken you were.

We know that's not true since I've read most of it multiple times. What is it you think I'm wrong about?

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I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.

As far as I know, you're right: "Jobs never did a lick of engineering in his life. He had me snowed," Alcorn later recalled. "It took years before I figured out that he was getting Woz to 'come in the back door' and do all the work while he got the credit." https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_...

No one would look very technical next to Woz. And it's not surprising Jobs farmed out the work to his badass friend.

> "At night the two would collaborate on building it at Atari: Wozniak as engineer, Jobs as breadboarder and tester...."

But this is a very biased way of describing two people working on a technical project. To call one an "engineer" and the other a "breadboarder" as if he sat quietly contributing nothing.

Just because one person is playing second fiddle to a truly gifted technical genius doesn't magically make them non-technical.

If you want to argue Steve Jobs isn't technical, you'll have to set the bar lower than "as good as Woz" or almost none of us will make the cut!

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate…

I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate…

I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.

They created the Apple II together. Woz did most of the hard engineering but it was Jobs that shaped it into a product for regular people through a thousand technical decisions.

You cannot create the company or products that Steve Jobs did without being technical. That doesn't mean you have to write the firmware on the wifi chip. It does mean you have to understand thousands of deeply technical concepts about computers.

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