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Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by dragonwriter »

onli wrote: post #141
eXpl0it3r wrote: post #137

I see no mention of push notifications as a sort of alternative. Technologically, the polling of RSS feeds to check for new content is a bit wasteful. What I'd like to see is a setup that uses push notifications to gather new content or maybe even a combination, where the push notification tells the RSS reader to grab the new content. Another interesting fact about RSS is, that it's the main distribution solution for…

RSS has that already, exactly that. It is enabled by Pubsubhubbub (PuSH), an (older?) alternative (used by Wordpress) is rsscloud.

PubSubHubbub (even before it became WebSub) was divorced from the original tie to Atom or RSS.

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Post by oaiey »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #210
oeuviz wrote: post #127

>But, but, XML is gross! RSS is dead! 2007! Favourite chapter. Never been fan of bashing xml in favor of json, both have their own advantages and xml gets the job done here. Wouldn't care if it was json.

XML is not just a transport encoding like JSON. Apples to oranges. They are not comparable. It’s like comparing HTML or CSS with JSON. What’s he equivalent of XPath in JSON? There isn’t! They aren’t remotely solutions to the same thing.

This

Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by O_H_E »

jakub_g wrote: post #79
fredley wrote: post #8

I've been seriously considering trying to consume the web solely by RSS again. All the news sites, the few twitter accounts I actually care about, HN. HN still provides RSS, and there are ways to get it for sites that don't support it, e.g. Twitter. Everything seems to be gearing more towards deliberately occupying as much of my time as possible, algorithmically selecting content that achieves this. I want out of thi…

I stopped using RSS circa 2010 since RSS produces just too much content (well at least my reader did, as it was not archiving stuff until read, just like an email inbox). I was reading my RSS feeds almost as a full-time job and the unread count was only going up and up :) TBH, it's a bit like this now for me with HN and Twitter even without RSS. "This looks interesting... (click)(open in new tab)". One week later: 30…

I am constantly producing tabs on my laptop, and every now and then saving the session somewhere so I can get some fresh air after ~200 open tabs. But the real problem is on Android, where chrome must have +1000 tabs by now (the last time I counted they were +700) We really have to find a way from this enormous amount of content.

Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by eqtn »

I was using google reader with greader app on android and after google killed it, greader switched to feedly. I imported all the feeds to feedly and continued using it with greader as if nothing happened.

On other note, Feedly app is not good. An alternative for ios is reeder app

Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by drumhead »

I've been using Sage on Firefox for the last decade. Its absolutely barebones but does the job for me. However with Firefox 57 Quantum its likely it wont be supported, so I looked at Feedly, but it was a bit too Hollywood for me. Any suggestions for something simple and clean like Sage?

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Post by a3n »

icc97 wrote: post #112

I use Thunderbird for my email + RSS together. Somehow the three things that lots of people keep on thinking are dead or dying work perfectly together.

Firefox's "Live Bookmarks" is bare-bones good enough for RSS, especially if feeds aren't going to be a conspicuous part of your online life.

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Post by senorsmile »

leejo wrote: post #44

I wrote about this recently[1]. The "problem" with RSS, that essentially lead to it falling out of favour, is that it is pure consumption, not interaction. You can't "like" an update that comes to you via RSS, nor comment, nor easily share. It's difficult for sites to monetise it, or track, or promote their own agenda. It's not "social" and since every other site these days needs to be social, whether through aforeme…

This is an interesting point of view. I personally never understood why someone would need to "like" an update. Thus, I've never understood the appeal of things like facebook. All I need is RSS.

Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by ZenoArrow »

senorsmile wrote: post #217
leejo wrote: post #44

I wrote about this recently[1]. The "problem" with RSS, that essentially lead to it falling out of favour, is that it is pure consumption, not interaction. You can't "like" an update that comes to you via RSS, nor comment, nor easily share. It's difficult for sites to monetise it, or track, or promote their own agenda. It's not "social" and since every other site these days needs to be social, whether through aforeme…

This is an interesting point of view. I personally never understood why someone would need to "like" an update. Thus, I've never understood the appeal of things like facebook. All I need is RSS.

When I've tried RSS in the past, I've ended up with a deluge of content to sift through. That may be partially my own fault for subscribing to actively updated sites, but I would've welcomed ways to filter out posts based on the user feedback of peers. That's part of the reason sites like HN are helpful in finding interesting content.

Re: RSS: there's nothing better

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Post by tzahola »

SteveMoody73 wrote: post #161
tzahola wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feedly is a load of crap. They are force-feeding (no pun intended) you their “””curated””” (read: sponsored) news sources while making it intentionally hard to add your own sources. Last time I’ve checked there’s not even a way to enter an RSS URL manually - you have to “search” for the given site, and hope that their magic algorithm picks up the presence of an RSS feed... Absolutely useless.

Just looked and there's an add content option in the bottom left corner that if you click on that and select Publications and Blogs gives you an option to add a URL. I've not really seen any sponsored content other than the occasional banner message up the top which is easily dismissed. edit: I have by default feedly set to my "all" feed and in that respect it works much like google reader used to.

I’m using the Feedly iOS app. I went to “Add content”, and it opened a sidebar with a searchbox which supposedly lets you “search” for content by “title, URL or #topic”. I’ve entered the URL of the archive.org feed ( http://archive.org/services/collection-rss.php ) and it says: “No sources found. If you are looking for a specific site, please enter the full URL.”

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Post by robin_reala »

JoshMnem wrote: post #182
dade_ wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many blog sites have a large number of RSS users and don’t even know they have an RSS feed. Most Wordpress sites have an RSS feed at ./feed, but many of the sites I follow don’t actually have an RSS link offered as an option.

I wonder if Firefox could help fix the problem by putting RSS/Atom discovery into the browser in a prominent way.

It’s there, pick Customise from the menu and drag the RSS icon into the bar. But they’re not interested in actively working on it – suggested features like hiding it instead of greying it out based on feed presence are closed due to a lack of interest. I think ideally they’re want it to be an extension.
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