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Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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If the service is hacked and if the "update found" alert isn't a very rare event, users will not validate every single update against GitHub, and a place check would see an update, allowing the attacker to push code when an update is made. A good portion of users will run the infected code before the service is shutdown. I never said it was easy. I said it was possible and doable.

First, you said “easily”, so I thought it must be effortless. Second, only paranoids and security conscious individuals will ever validate against GitHub. Your average Joe really doesn’t care. I do however agree with you that security must be hardened as much as possible, but your hypothetical case is weak. It will work for any software that auto update. Browser? OS? Let me give you another one, what if a satellite f…

Yes, I did and was wrong. Easy does not mean effortless and I also meant it in a context where the machine was already compromised, but didn't make that clear.

> only paranoids and security conscious individuals will ever validate against GitHub.

The op expects this to happen anytime a user gets a message saying the code is updated. I agree that no one will do it and it'll become a click through.

> but your hypothetical case is weak. It will work for any software that auto update. Browser? OS?

I state in another post that you are always subject to this issue. However, when running local software, and not at the mercy of someone else's computer/server, you have the ability to choose when and how you update.

I can also validate all code against signatures and public logs before running it, which is not something that can be done with service workers or any website in general. twiss says as much themselves: https://github.com/w3c/ServiceWorker/issues/1208

And yes, there is normally an implicit assumption that the hardware is not spying on you simply because there are no alternatives.

It really comes down to how often I need to validate my trust and how easy it is to do so.

Web apps, under the best conditions, are hard to grab and pull all the source into external files for examination and almost impossible to do so before executing it, baring using tools like curl or wget, and running the js yourself to figure out what else needs to be downloaded. Not to mention that needs to be done every time I access the app.

With a traditional app or is, I could (not that anyone does) verify the code (which for f/oss is easy to obtain) before I compile it myself. (Where I'm trusting the compiler, yes.)

I'm not trying to argue that there is a perfect method. I'm arguing that this application isn't even in the running for a good, fairly trustable method. I don't believe it solves the fundamental issue of having to trust the code download every single time, regardless of their service worker check because it itself is not protected. We'll, protected by the vigilance of the end user, which is where we started anyway.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Any intentions on adding support for right to left languages? This is the only reason why I have a Windows 7 virtual machine with Office 13 installed. I am looking for alternatives.

If you select an RTL interface language, the UI becomes RTL. And in Chrome, you can select RTL in the editor in the context menu. Are you looking for something similar to that in Firefox, or are there any other issues with RTL?

What I would like to do it write in both a RTL language and a LTR language: (second line is a translation of the first) Hello, world! שלום, עולם!

However, the exclamation mark in the second line does not come at the end of the sentence.

This is not good: https://image.ibb.co/b5dC7b/Screenshot_20171102_083647.png This is good https://image.ibb.co/kAdjLw/Screenshot_20171102_083825.png

Changing the interface language didn't seem to help: https://image.ibb.co/k2gtDG/Screenshot_20171102_084103.png

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you select an RTL interface language, the UI becomes RTL. And in Chrome, you can select RTL in the editor in the context menu. Are you looking for something similar to that in Firefox, or are there any other issues with RTL?

What I would like to do it write in both a RTL language and a LTR language: (second line is a translation of the first) Hello, world! שלום, עולם! However, the exclamation mark in the second line does not come at the end of the sentence. This is not good: https://image.ibb.co/b5dC7b/Screenshot_20171102_083647.png This is good https://image.ibb.co/kAdjLw/Screenshot_20171102_083825.png Changing the interface language di…

In Chrome, if you select the second line, right click -> Writing Direction -> Right to Left, it seems to do what you want. Does that help?

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Not sounding like marketing material is exactly what makes it sound trustworthy to intelligent people. I can only assume that's the current target audience.

Intelligent people are too few and decentralized to ever be the target audience of a successful company.

Probably true but of unclear relevance since Airborn is not yet successful.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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I feel like "Even if we get hacked" as a marketing message might send the wrong signals.

I like "even if we get hacked" With all the data breaches in the news I feel like this is a selling point many would understand. I would even go further and say "and even if we get subpoenaed" my 2cents

If you get hacked, the attacker will replace the application code. When the user logs in again (or opens a new browser window) the modified application code will decrypt all of their data and send it to the attacker. The encryption provides no protection from hackers.

Protection from hackers comes only from reviewed and verified software and hardware. The only consumer platform that comes close is iOS.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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I like "even if we get hacked" With all the data breaches in the news I feel like this is a selling point many would understand. I would even go further and say "and even if we get subpoenaed" my 2cents

If you get hacked, the attacker will replace the application code. When the user logs in again (or opens a new browser window) the modified application code will decrypt all of their data and send it to the attacker. The encryption provides no protection from hackers. Protection from hackers comes only from reviewed and verified software and hardware. The only consumer platform that comes close is iOS.

Please see https://www.airbornos.com/docs/security or http://blog.airbornos.com/post/2017/08/03/Transparent-Web-Ap... for a description of how we solved that.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I would like to do it write in both a RTL language and a LTR language: (second line is a translation of the first) Hello, world! שלום, עולם! However, the exclamation mark in the second line does not come at the end of the sentence. This is not good: https://image.ibb.co/b5dC7b/Screenshot_20171102_083647.png This is good https://image.ibb.co/kAdjLw/Screenshot_20171102_083825.png Changing the interface language di…

In Chrome, if you select the second line, right click -> Writing Direction -> Right to Left, it seems to do what you want. Does that help?

Yes, that works. (I can start using this more). As a suggestion maybe you should add the writing direction to the top options. I would not have thought to check the right click menu for anything other than cut/copy/paste, spell check and other less important things.
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