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First field report of iPhone X

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Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by stcredzero »

jpalomaki wrote: post #192
jack6e wrote: post #131

Even though the overall tone of this review was upbeat and positive, it seemed that the baseline conclusion was: "hopefully we find a use for the minor iterative improvements that will make this more than just the next release in a series of underwhelming releases." For one of the first, selectively-chosen reviews of what is supposed to be a ground-breaking product, the article essentially told us 1) the pictures loo…

There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories (think tablets when iPad was introduced - I'd claim that was true revolution since it took significant time for the competitors to really catch up with Apple). On one hand this is pretty sad. There's no wow factor, no truly excit…

There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories

What about in overlooked user interface technologies? I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop. Also, the face that Apple can now get ahold of those sensors for cheap and at scale probably opens up the opportunity for user interface innovation. People like to use touch for certain operations on current laptops with a touch screen, but some of those might be better done with a gesture away from the screen the doesn't cover up the view of the screen. (Or require the user to lift their hands up from the palm rest to avoid gorilla arm.)

Tablets existed before multitouch and the first iPad. It was a thinner form factor enabled by better battery and more frugal processors combined with multitouch which made the iPad what it is.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by ChrisLTD »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #116
RoyTyrell wrote: post #110

My two questions are: 1. Is the X worth the extra $200/$300 on top of the 8? 2. Is the X worth the $1k+ I know "worth" is relative and depends on your personal requirements, but from someone who's likely a software dev on this site, is it really worth spending that kind of money?

You should go to the store and experience the iPhone X for your self and make that determination . Also factor in that you are buying a 1.0 product.

How so? It's the latest iteration of a product first released 10 years ago.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by waytogo »

jordache wrote: post #103
parzivalm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense. It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app dev…

so IOS will not create a black bar to fill the areas adjacent to the notch?

It’s not allowed. Apple does not allow to hide the notch except when watching videos. There is some guide for app developers about this.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by untog »

stcredzero wrote: post #211
jpalomaki wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories (think tablets when iPad was introduced - I'd claim that was true revolution since it took significant time for the competitors to really catch up with Apple). On one hand this is pretty sad. There's no wow factor, no truly excit…

There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories What about in overlooked user interface technologies? I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop. Also, the face that Apple can now get ahold of those sensors for cheap and at scale probably opens up the opp…

> I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop.

This is in absolutely no way revolutionary. Not least because some Windows laptops have been able to do it for some time (HP? I forget who did it, but it was awful)

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Post by j79 »

PacketPaul wrote: post #51
jnsaff2 wrote: post #49

Is ios11 as sucky on it as it is on 6S for me is the real question me thinks.

IOS on the 7 has been rock solid. What is wrong on the 6s?

My wife and I both have iPhone 6s. She upgraded and has regretted it since. Very slow wake up, unlocking, and app switching are just some issues. There's a lag with most actions. Random app crashes (even those updated), and battery life has dropped significantly.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by irrational »

dntrkv wrote: post #155
jack6e wrote: post #131

Even though the overall tone of this review was upbeat and positive, it seemed that the baseline conclusion was: "hopefully we find a use for the minor iterative improvements that will make this more than just the next release in a series of underwhelming releases." For one of the first, selectively-chosen reviews of what is supposed to be a ground-breaking product, the article essentially told us 1) the pictures loo…

What was so revolutionary about the original iPhone? I don't think anyone could point at any single feature throughout the whole smartphone revolution and claim it was "revolutionary." It was always a combination of features and design decisions that made the phones so easy and pleasant to use. There were many phones before the iPhone that were way more capable, yet nobody talked about them. Siri, TouchID, FaceID, ca…

The original iPhone? You know, it's been so long I can't really remember. What I do remember is before the iPhone my boss had been trying to get me to get a mobile phone (on the company dime), but I wasn't interested. Then the iPhone was announced. I don't remember what the competition was at that time (probably Blackberry, I don't recall hearing about Android until sometime after the original iPhone came out), but I do recall being excited by a phone for the first time. Mainly it was that it came across as not just a phone, but an actual pocket computer. I did end up letting the company buy me one, and I did feel like it lived up to the hype. For the first time a browser actually worked, and worked well, on a mobile device (the first time I tried zooming in and out on a web page - this was in the days before mobile/responsive websites - blew my mind). Apps started coming out that were actually useful. Google maps actually worked the way I would expect it to work. And so on. I still feel like there was nothing else like it at the time (I'd looked around at other phones at the time, but was very underwhelmed - they mainly seemed to target business/sales/manager type people).

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by untog »

pwython wrote: post #177
dean wrote: post #149

I keep reading about how the "notch" is ugly and annoying, but "you get used to it". Like sitting behind someone with a big hat in the movie theatre, after awhile, you don't even notice. Personally, I change seats in that scenario. I just find it hard square claims of "the future of the smartphone" with reviews like "you get used to it".

Then again... maybe you do get used to it? Like how our parents got "used to" prior technology's "annoyances"? I'm not saying this is a "get off my lawn" annoyance, but... I'm curious to see how phones evolve after this notch.

I think the point the OP is making is: what is the advantage to "getting used" to it? It's not immediately clear what this oddly shaped screen provides in terms of functionality.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by craftyguy »

tobystore wrote: post #151
craftyguy wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it.

>Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it. Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be. Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else. The End.

> Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be

How do you explain the iphone x?

> Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else

ok? That's not at all what I was talking about.

> The End.

Oh please, get over yourself.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by parzivalm »

elif wrote: post #187
parzivalm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense. It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app dev…

>I have to wait for app developers to fix the issue Only the app developers who don't follow the guidelines: "Don't attempt to hide the device's rounded corners, sensor housing, or indicator for accessing the Home screen by placing black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. " https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/o...

What about apps that are slow to update or relatively abandoned? Guidelines are all well and good and I assume everyone here thinks they should be followed. The problem is though that not everyone will update on time.

Take for example when the iPhone 6 and 6+ first came out. It took my banking app until the 6s came out to finally update their app to fill the screen. Now granted those apps weren't unusable, they just looked wrong. On the iPhone X with the notch there is a very real possibility that until they are updated they may have unusable functionality.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by CharlesW »

dean wrote: post #149

I keep reading about how the "notch" is ugly and annoying, but "you get used to it". Like sitting behind someone with a big hat in the movie theatre, after awhile, you don't even notice. Personally, I change seats in that scenario. I just find it hard square claims of "the future of the smartphone" with reviews like "you get used to it".

> I keep reading about how the "notch" is ugly and annoying…

If you think of it as a "notch", sure. Another way to think of it is that the screen has a little extra space in the form of "ears", used for instruments (time, signal strength) that would otherwise eat screen space used by apps.

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