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Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by schoen »

JakeTheAndroid wrote: post #210
danjayh wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the typical stereotypes about conservative voters to be kind of amusing. I'm fairly young, and I have an BSCE, MSEE, and a very decent paying job doing tech work. I'm a libertarian and I vote conservative because they at least usually claim to want to reduce the size and power of the federal government. Based on what I've seen in the media about people who tend conservative, I don't exist ... that or I'm actua…

Just devils advocate here, but could it be you're the minority of that demographic? I'm libertarian, and vote all over the map, but likely lean more liberal. I know plenty of well educated, employed conservatives. But, a bulk of voters in Trump's corner are not you. It's like going to a Free Speech rally. Some people are likely there just for speech, but if Neo-Nazis show up, and cause a ruckus, they're the face of t…

Maybe the phenomenon you describe would be weaker in U.S. politics if there were more political parties and less incentive for people to vote major-party. As it is, it seems like a lot of political journalism consists of different attempts at tea-leaf reading about which demographics were motivated to join which coalitions how, and whether the coalitions will shift, and how we would even know. I'm sure those phenomena also occur in other countries with a broader partisan landscape, but maybe they come with a smaller dose of speculation. :-)

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by bpp »

creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

I worked on the blog team for Barack Obama's '08 campaign. The comments section developed a culture of posting a link to their personal fundraising page as the top comment, and other commenters would then donate to it.

Someone on the team got annoyed by this so for a while we would post the top comment before publishing such that they couldn't post their personal fundraising link. Then we ran some numbers and realized how much money it was costing the campaign (a lot).

Moral of the story: comment sections are weird.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by seanwilson »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #183
viraptor wrote: post #161

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Slashdot uses (used?) meta moderation. You could review votes others did - not the value itself, but the category. "Do you agree this post is (interesting/insightful/funny/...)?" Not sure how the results were used though.

On Slashdot, moderation power is (was) awarded periodically. Metamoderation was used to grade the moderators. If enough people disagreed with your moderation, eventually you got mod points less often. If people liked your moderation, you'd get mod points more often. It's a way to police the moderators, a great concept at least, though it gets tiresome at times.

I'd completely forgotten about this. Having to review votes from other users feels like work to me though. Having the community arrive at the community rules with metamoderation isn't going to always go along with the goals of the site either I would have thought.

I wonder if a similar system would work where 1) regular users vote as normal 2) moderators who strictly stick to community guidelines vote (e.g. vote up comments that add to the discussion, vote down trolls, silly jokes and rude comments) 3) only votes from people whose votes are consistent with the moderators are weighted heavily.

Maybe you could even be rewarded with karma when a moderator agrees with you to encourage it instead of it being hidden. Obviously all these systems are open to abuse and problems but just throwing out ideas.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by jccalhoun »

Yhippa wrote: post #11

I would love to see a big site try to use Slashdot's old commenting system. Commenting felt like a privilege and so did moderation.

agreed. I always liked the old slashdot system. I could decide how many points a "funny" or "interesting" post got. I would always give "funny" posts negative points because they were usually not at all funny.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by dredmorbius »

StevePerkins wrote: post #103

I started by reading the comments section here on HN. Couldn't find any solid information about what this Mozilla thing actually is. So I broke down, and clicked the link to actually read the source article. Still couldn't find any meaningful information about the thing. At this point I considered this a personal challenge. So I clicked the link at the bottom of the article, to ITS original source ( http://coralproje…

TFA actually does break down the deets on the technology reasonably clearly. I find your comment mischaracterises it significantly.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by unescape »

TwelveNights wrote: post #204
unescape wrote: post #166

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I'm just going to point out that Mozilla and the NSF recently offered $2M for ideas to decentralize the web. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/21/2-million-prize-dec...

They never said that Talk was aimed at moving that goal further along, however. They're trying to use it instead to allow better curation tools to make comments manageable.

It seems that their goal is to help sites move away from 3rd-party comment management services such as Facebook and Disqus. Based on this discussion, I think federated (not site-owned) comments are the way to go long-term. Maybe Talk can eventually be adapted to help with decentralized comment moderation.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by loopdoend »

creaghpatr wrote: post #4

Can't speak for WaPo but the New York Times comments sections are absolutely dominated by a handful of designated 'top commenters' who rush to post on any major story. Sometimes their comments are good, but then there's the guy who writes a poem every single time, or 'Socrates' who posts the same cookie-cutter 'blame-the-GOP-all-the-way-back-to-bush' comment with the most dramatic rhetoric possible, trolling for like…

Your poem writer, Larry Eisenberg, is a national treasure: http://forward.com/culture/books/332712/how-a-96-year-old-li...

I agree about Socrates. Overwrought.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by protomikron »

danjayh wrote: post #198
Splatter wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps the right wins local, state, and federal elections because a large portion of the country doesn't like the solutions the left proposes.

I find the typical stereotypes about conservative voters to be kind of amusing. I'm fairly young, and I have an BSCE, MSEE, and a very decent paying job doing tech work. I'm a libertarian and I vote conservative because they at least usually claim to want to reduce the size and power of the federal government. Based on what I've seen in the media about people who tend conservative, I don't exist ... that or I'm actua…

> [...] they at least usually claim to want to reduce the size and power of the federal government.

Why do you assume that's inherently a good thing?

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