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There's a service called college that millions of people begin each year. We'll barely be a drop in the bucket. The demand for engineers is growing rapidly. You'll be just fine.
Right but this is zero upfront cost. Kudos to you guys if it works out
Launch HN: Lambda School (YC S17) – CS education that's free until you get a job
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#212Re: Launch HN: Lambda School (YC S17) – CS education that's free until you get a job
#213I feel it's misleading, it's naming feels like its coat tailing off implying something like a university comp sci degree ( with a practical bent), and this seems more of a React web/mobile app design course with a bit of C++ and some basic algorithms ( presumably so they can pass interviews that seem to be obsessed with such things ) $30k seems steep, and while 0 $ upfront is appealing, that kind of strategy can be e…
I think we go a lot deeper than you seem to think - we're not a 100% proxy with a full CS degree, but we're more CS degree than just code bootcamp.
unless there's more beyond what you posted here https://github.com/LambdaSchool/LambdaCSA-Syllabus#project12 it really seems a very quick march through some basic computing concepts and some practical skills using the tech du jour with a goal of getting people to a point they can get info into and out of a data store and present it on a web page and then interview well.
Nothing wrong with that and done well can launch people into careers... I really don't know what that's worth but 30k for 6months ish feels a bit off to me.
But I think if you then asked your students at the end to give a summary of what computer science is, what are the problems, and the broad dimensions of the subject are they might struggle.... you also use the word engineering, again, I think asking your students to summarize the broad areas of software engineering I think they'd struggle. Or at least what's presented doesn't fill me with confidence. But ask them to summarize web development, I think they'd give a reasonable answer.
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#214I've trained 3 people to code using a similar meta-course I built. It's more of an apprenticeship scheme (they work for me once they get good enough). https://github.com/z-dev/learn-programming
From that experience I think this idea could do well. I think no-win-no-fee education like this will be popular. I also think that a scheme like this could do a lot of social good and help people who might not want to go to University.
Good luck :)
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#215I know a fellow who was very much "into computers," decided to become a programmer, signed up for the (offline) classes and then had massive troubles trying to understand how a do-while construct works. He was in mid-20s back when it happened, spoke 3 languages and had a day job as a nurse. He did finish the course, got his grades, but ultimatley lost all the interest and never got into IT.
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#216In the registration process: Are you legally authorized to work in the United States? Just a note: We are currently unable to offer income-based repayment outside of the United States. You can still attend Lambda School, but you would have to pay at least $10,000 up-front $10,000 - that's about as expensive as a high quality bachelor's degree (in Germany) at private university via distance learning, where someone can…
Germany is an outlier in higher education. In the US, $10k is lucky to get you 1 year of in-state tuition and books (excluding room and board) at an average public state school with a CS program. If you go to college in a state different than what you live in, the rates are even higher.
People here are frequently warned of the silliness of paying off their student loans early. If you get any kind of loan with interest above inflation (which is basically all of them), it would make more sense to pay that off before the student loan.
EU law says universities must charge foreign EU nationals the same rate as they charge locals. There is a loophole in that this does not apply to the "home nations" within the UK, so Scottish universities (and English and Welsh return) can charge the other home nations' students whatever they like.
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#217In the registration process: Are you legally authorized to work in the United States? Just a note: We are currently unable to offer income-based repayment outside of the United States. You can still attend Lambda School, but you would have to pay at least $10,000 up-front $10,000 - that's about as expensive as a high quality bachelor's degree (in Germany) at private university via distance learning, where someone can…
Germany is an outlier in higher education. In the US, $10k is lucky to get you 1 year of in-state tuition and books (excluding room and board) at an average public state school with a CS program. If you go to college in a state different than what you live in, the rates are even higher.
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#218I'm going to play devils advocate here. I don't think I'd be in your target market primarily because I feel for 15k a year I can achieve a decent education just by online resources alone. It would be just as well recognized; I'd even think that a local community college could be cheaper. Granted, upfront cash is a luxury that few without the bank of mom and dad can access. An Irish degree costs 3000 euros a year to e…
Indeed, it is difficult to compete with the price of a fully subsidized education. That said, we still have students from the EU that attend Lambda School. It's not all about cost, it's also about use of time. You can get a degree that is more well recognized in four years, or you can attend Lambda School and work for three years. Would you rather hire someone with an official degree from a community college or someo…
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#219This is similar to how all university tuition fees in the UK work, with slightly different numbers. A very sensible solution to the astronomical cost of education, provided people want to get jobs.
In the current UK scheme you pay 9% of the amount you earn over £21,000, or nothing while you earn less than that. Debt written off after something like 25 years if unpaid.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Germany is an outlier in higher education. In the US, $10k is lucky to get you 1 year of in-state tuition and books (excluding room and board) at an average public state school with a CS program. If you go to college in a state different than what you live in, the rates are even higher.
In Sweden 10K would cover most of your living expenses for a year. Oh, you're talking about the cost of education? Well that part is free ;)