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Re: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review

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Post by vsl »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #133
laydn wrote: post #81

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Center console indicators are quite common. One advantage is that, the indicators are never blocked when you are in a turn. With your traditional instrument cluster placement, the steering wheel blocks the indicators. Cars with instruments in the center dashboard: Mini Cooper: http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/2010-mini-cooper-hardtop-2-do... Toyota Yaris: https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/izmo/306771/2009_...…

Mini Cooper: There is a speedometer directly behind steering wheel, in a smaller secondary instrument panel, as shown in the picture. Toyota Yaris: Not shown in that picture is the Head Up Display projected onto the windscreen, even closer to the driver's line of sight. I drove a Yaris for a few days a while back, and the HUD is good - not distracting there's and no need to turn your head, which would be dangerous. C…

Not sure why you think C4 comes with the HUD, but rest assured the 1999 Xsara Picasso didn't. I drove it for many years and it was fine. Glancing down at the behind-wheel display is equidistant to glancing right to Model 3's (which has the important bits in the same position, perhaps even closer to the driver, then Picasso did).

It'll be fine. Don't judge it before actually trying it for yourself.

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Post by vsl »

manigandham wrote: post #54
erikpukinskis wrote: post #15

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The screen is not in the center console it sticks above the dash. Seems like the speed is probably just as close to the road as any other vehicle if not closer. Do you think a diagonal saccade is worse than a vertical one for some reason?

> Do you think a diagonal saccade is worse than a vertical one for some reason? Yes, definitely. You don't? Vertical movement is much easier, just try it. It's also easier to focus since one eye isn't farther away or blocked by your nose.

From experience: when tired, glancing down while driving is hard, while glancing sideways (at nav) is fine.

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Post by vsl »

makomk wrote: post #65
_ph_ wrote: post #39

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The "small battery" still has more range than any other electric car out there, except the Bolt, which has a very small lead, but does not seem to be made in large numbers. And it matches the promised range (>215 miles). So it is great value for everyone, who does not need the 300 mile range. So you do get a sporty (0-60 <6s) 5 seated electrical sedan for 35k, which is great.

Except for the part where they're not actually making the 35k base model yet, sure. So in reality you might be able to get it for 35k at some unspecified point in the future, assuming they don't outright cancel the base model again.

Said point in future was explicitly spelled out: fall 2017.

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Post by vsl »

kayoone wrote: post #82
chvid wrote: post #52

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I was struck how sad the interior of the Tesla S looks compared to a mid-priced Audi. I understand how people can be excited about the driving experience and the fossile-fuel-vision of a Tesla. But interior wise they are not anything special.

my impression as well. The Model S interior is nice, but compared to a similar priced Audi, BMW, Mercedes it falls short.

Short of buttons and other crap yes. I LOVE that about my S.

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Post by headmelted »

At this price I'm actually kind of interested in what the lease prices would be.

I realize the waiting list is going to be really long of course, but the lease prices (assuming no opportunistic markup at the leasing company) should come in at a price point that actually makes this pretty cheap when fuel is taken into account.

Hopefully Tesla have the good sense to embrace this wholeheartedly, as I suspect that's where the critical mass could come from (and due to the short timeframes on car leases, extremely rapidly).

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Post by headmelted »

_ph_ wrote: post #75
Roritharr wrote: post #69

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Sadly that taxbreak runs out in 2022 and until then declines every year, while not being that substantial. It's tied to battery capacity and maxes out at currently 8000€ from the new price. So with a Model S in a base configuration without any features for example you have to tax 600€ per month instead of 680€. That's a 12% reduction in tax burden, nothing that would push me towards a car in that price range, especia…

Diesel cars are going up in costs for sure over the next time. car manufacturers have to equip them with working exhaust cleaning, and I am sure, the fuel taxes are going to rise after the elections. Electrical cars can also charge at your work place without it being taxed, that exception was made last year. So I would see the Model 3 quite competing to a BMW 3 or 5 series - what is preferable pretty much depends on…

Been thinking the same myself. This is purely my own speculation, but I can see taxation of diesel at the pump skyrocketing in the next two years.

All these plans to scrap petrol and diesel engines by year X are clearly not genuine, and people see that.

No democratic government in the western world as an authority horizon further away than the next election - so rather than trying to ban something that may or may not ever take, it just seems more practical and more likely to just keep pushing up the price of the fuel by taxation until it no longer makes sense for anyone.

Bonus: you don't need to offer a scrappage bribe from the public purse either.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #129
erikpukinskis wrote: post #15

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The screen is not in the center console it sticks above the dash. Seems like the speed is probably just as close to the road as any other vehicle if not closer. Do you think a diagonal saccade is worse than a vertical one for some reason?

Nitpick: Moving your eyes to look at a speedometer is a conscious muscle movement, not a saccade. Saccades are involuntary, automatic and not consciously felt; they're the sensory system's way of automatically building up the visual "scene" in your brain from multiple images even though you feel like your gaze is fixed on a single point. You can't focus on the road and read the speedometer from your peripheral vision…

In the back of my mind, I knew there was was a "this is not technically a saccade" situation but couldn't remember why. Thanks for the clarification.

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Post by zild3d »

Tomte wrote: post #58
randyrand wrote: post #36

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Also they own the repair market. You can't get your tesla serviced at a normal shop as the software, parts, and diagnostics are proprietary, so they could actually sell the car at a loss and make the big bucks on repairs. I don't want this. But its a viable business model.

Won't fly in Europe. They will have to open up all their diagnostics and special tools.

isn't it already flying in europe?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

jimmcslim wrote: post #12

Is there a HUD or do I have to move my eyes to the centre console to check my speed? Seems like bad ergonomics to me... and whereas the road ahead is perhaps still in my peripheral vision when I check my speedo, its less so if I am glancing at the centre console (which maybe has a bunch of other distracting things on it as well?)

HUD on ebay is like $20, works off OBDII port.

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Post by falcolas »

fulafel wrote: post #209
falcolas wrote: post #188

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That paper acknowledges that AWD does provide more traction than 2WD, it just says that drivers can become overconfident as a result of that extra traction. Their data also shows that for cars, across all types of cars, AWD cars are in fewer overall (though more severe; the focus of the paper) accidents than 2wd cars. Given my own experience, even considering this paper, I still want an AWD.

If we're talking about safety, then the injury risk is kind of important. The paper did not do any research on traction or driver overconfidence so remarks about these are just casual commentary, but for the record, the mention of AWD traction is not particularly relevant to avoiding traffic accidents: "While these important results imply that AWD shall not be considered as a safety feature, it should be kept in mind…

"AWD technologies should be further developed so that slippery road conditions are not disguised by the improved traction provided by AWD."

AWD provides more traction, and thus more control than 2WD. I have no desire to give that up because some people take more control to mean "I can go faster." You're welcome to come to a different conclusion.

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