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iOS and Android are largely POSIX-compatible. Windows is not as an intentional anticompetitive design choice. Now that WSL is mature, there's no reason to play into that nonense any further (though in my opinion there was never any reason to).
What is your product ? What software do you write ?
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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
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Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…
Most of that is supported on Windows * Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb. * Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist. * You can use most GNU tools. * You can use any hardware you want * Performance is good on Windows * Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho). * Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktop…
.. and:
* Freedom.[3]
* Privacy, security and transparency.
* Peace of mind, never be forced to upgrade your hardware or software. Your hardware is yours and you can use it until it literally breaks. You control your computer and not the other way around.
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Some things may exist (e.g. Chocolatey), but why not use a better package manager?
Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
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Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…
Most of that is supported on Windows * Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb. * Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist. * You can use most GNU tools. * You can use any hardware you want * Performance is good on Windows * Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho). * Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktop…
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+1 on Surface Book. Great build quality, good dev machine and decent gaming laptop as well.
Was thinking about getting one for work, and gaming is a nice perk What kind of specs/graphics/resolution do you get on that for games?
More performant, cheaper, better screen.
Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
#216I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.
What happened? Did apple simultaneously fire all of it's hardware team along with it's QA dept? (we know the 2nd one happened). I love apple, but it feels like they have a CEO who's running it in "latter years" mode. Zero risk, minimize cost everywhere, maximize profit even if it results in absurd cash piles... This is what you get when bean counters run tech companies.
Yeah, letting the COO be CEO isn't necessarily a good idea in a tech company.
Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
#217I really hope they make WSL's /home/. symlink to /mnt/c/users/. by default. What's the point of having a separate filesystem and home directory? I want native POSIX in Windows. The WSL implementation feels like... not that.
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Just wait 6 months or so after release....
For what? I own a Surface Pro 3 and a Surface Book. Both have only been improved through firmware updates after release. There was actually some pain points on the SP3 right around release that caused some headaches.
My Surface Book was a spotchy experience for the first 6 months or so. by month 6 it was running acceptably.
Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
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Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…
Most of that is supported on Windows * Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb. * Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist. * You can use most GNU tools. * You can use any hardware you want * Performance is good on Windows * Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho). * Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktop…
Docker on Windows is not native, it runs on a VM and uses Linux under the hood.
> Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist.
Chocolatey is a step in the right direction, but it probably doesn't integrate as well as apt or dnf, you still have the Windows Store to update separately, and the Windows Store is what Microsoft wants you to use.
Chocolatey is more like a bandaid solution that was made by the community to deal with the limitations of software installation on Windows.
So I think Linux does package management much better than Windows, but this isn't to say that Chocolatey is bad, it's just that Microsoft has total control over everything on Windows.
I also like how Linux distros share a common file system hierarchy and share libraries between programs, while minimizing disk space and reducing security issues.
> You can use most GNU tools.
Yes, that's because those GNU programs are cross platform, which is good.
Free software also allows others to port programs to other platforms, which is also a very good thing.
> You can use any hardware you want
This isn't completely true, you cannot take your existing Windows drive and just plug it into another computer and expect everything to work, but you can do this just fine with Linux.
An existing Windows install and its license is associated to the machine where you have it installed.
Also, Windows won't run on other architectures other than x86 and I think ARM? Linux is known to work with ~20 different architectures or more.
Another advantage with Linux is that the drivers are built into the Linux kernel, so when a driver is added to the Linux kernel, it will be maintained and improved as part of the kernel, so your hardware will be supported for a very long time / forever.
This is unlike Windows where hardware vendors will release a blob for Windows and won't provide updates after the hardware is EOLed or for the next version of Windows.
I still have old printers that still work fine with Linux but the same printer doesn't have drivers for the current version of Windows anymore.
Linux is the only OS kernel with more hardware support than any other OS out there.
> Performance is good on Windows
Performance tends to vary depending on what you are doing and what you are comparing against.
So this is debatable, and one would need to run benchmarks to be sure.
That said, I find Windows to always be slower than Linux, running Linux on the same machine tends to be faster for the things I do, and Windows tends to slow over time whereas Linux doesn't.
> Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho).
You don't have freedom with Windows, you cannot give a copy of Windows to your friends, and you cannot inspect the Windows source code to learn and/or to modify it or fix anything in it.
> Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktops are honestly not that safe.
[citation needed]
Do you have any sources to back this claim? There are a lot of security/privacy concerns with Windows 10, especially with the likes of telemetry and backdoors.
> Powershell is way better shell then anything Linux has to offer.
How is PowerShell better than the many different shells we have on Linux? I don't think this is true.
There is also PowerShell on Linux.
> Games still work better and there are more supported.
Linux has Steam now and many games are being released with Linux support every day, Vulkan is also taking off on Linux.
> More commercial tools are available for Windows.
There are many commercial tools coming out for Linux too, and this is only going to increase.
> Honestly, the only difference now is the culture around it.
It's not just about the culture, GNU/Linux and Windows are different operating systems with different ideas, purposes and design.
Windows is merely a company's product.
GNU/Linux is about freedom.
Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta
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Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux. * Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here. * Use the WM/DE of your choice. * Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc). * Use the distro of your choice. * Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac. * Decide if you want bleeding edge or…
Most of that is supported on Windows * Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb. * Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist. * You can use most GNU tools. * You can use any hardware you want * Performance is good on Windows * Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho). * Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktop…