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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by draw_down »

notadoc wrote: post #188
mwexler wrote: post #67

All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. Agree. I bought an iPhone 7 and now I never listen to music or podcasts with it, a very unexpected side effect of not having a headphone jack.

Yeah, it's a frequent pain in my behind. I always lose the stupid little dongle things.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by lps41 »

notadoc wrote: post #188
mwexler wrote: post #67

All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. Agree. I bought an iPhone 7 and now I never listen to music or podcasts with it, a very unexpected side effect of not having a headphone jack.

I'm curious about this - why do you no longer listen to music or podcasts? The phone comes with headphones that plug directly into the lightning port, and an 1/8" adapter so you can still use your old headphones.

Personally I just keep the adapter permanently attached to my 1/8" headphones. Only downside for me is the inability to charge at the same time, but then the iPhone 7's battery life is pretty great, so that's not a huge deal.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by cobalt »

emilsedgh wrote: post #158
smcl wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a few people (some non-KDE users) have an aversion to KDE/Qt tools and avoid them where possible. Certainly it was enough of a pain for me to get consistent look-and-feel across all my applications that I gave up and decided not to use Qt if I could avoid it.

I don't get it. On windows each app has a completely different look and feel and guidelines and people are fine with it. But on Linux we have 2 and people are complaining. Btw, GTK+ apps look very close to Qt apps on KDE as KDE's Breeze engine has a GTK+ version. Additionally, an open source windows paint (that parent comment asked for) will not look consistent go GTK+ apps as well.

well people do complain, but i think the point is that windows has one UI framework (win32/user32) and (most) everyone uses that. It provides all of the primitives and norms that people expect

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by frik »

cabaalis wrote: post #12

This is silliness. I Win+R, mspaint at least 10 times a day. I paste in screenshots and quickly cut out just a portion of them. Or leave the screenshot there for later review. Why don't they just remove the file browser? Or how about mouse support?

Me too, use Win7 snipping tool and or Paint all the time. Notepad, Paint, Wordpad are all useful. Even though I wished MS would give them some love like add UTF-8 as default save option, or a better search function, etc. The new Win8/10 metro/UWP apps and the Store are crap.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by Sylos »

4ndr3vv wrote: post #105

MS hasn't said they're going to remove it: [“Deprecated” Apps] ...are not in active development and might be removed in future releases [1] Its clearly not being actively developed, but there's no indication its going anywhere just yet. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-th...

Then why would they make a public announcement about it? Not like it's seen frequent updates at any point in its lifetime.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by msla »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #97

Pity that they don't open source it. I've gone through multiple image editors on Linux, and none of them have the simplicity of Paint. The layout and functionality is incredibly intuitive. You drop someone into Paint, and even if they've never seen it before, they can start doing stuff within a minute or so. You drop the same person into GIMP, and five minutes later they're still trying to figure out how the hell to…

I was about to suggest XPaint as being equally simple, but it might be more complex than I thought:

> Recent versions have support for advanced image manipulations (image zooming and resizing, filters, color modifications, separation of RGB channels), scripting, layers, edition of alpha channel and of transparent images, vector formats import, truetype fonts and anti-aliasing, geometric transformations of such fonts, etc. …

> The scripting capabilities include programmable filters, batch processing, creation of 2D and 3D images, etc. XPaint also recently acquired a built-in editor which can be used to produce posters containing text and images.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPaint

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Post by Karunamon »

ozmodiar wrote: post #156
Karunamon wrote: post #123

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I don't quite understand why you'd ever want to create a new file in this way, and I remember being baffled by it as a child when Win95 came out. Isn't it always going to be faster to open whatever application you want to create your file in (bonus: win+r on Windows, cmd-space on Mac) and just save the new file there? Creating the file first and then invoking the program by opening it with the GUI seems like a pathol…

I think it's to not have to relocate a folder in a Save As dialog. Sometimes I already have a folder open, and just want to create a new file then drag it into my editor because I know the Save As dialog is pointed elsewhere.

Aha. That makes a bit more sense. For what it's worth, you can just drag the folder into the location bar and get roughly the same effect. If the window's already open, the small folder icon on the top works as well.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by dfox »

pjc50 wrote: post #166
profpandit wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Paint is by a long shot, Microsoft's best product. It's easy to build since it's codebase is pretty small and they haven't changed it much since it was introduced. So it's rock solid. IDK why they're fixing what ain't broke.

I still sometimes miss the old Paint with dither-pattern floodfills. The current Paint still supports lower bit depth bitmaps but not dithering.

I have feeling that dithered fills have nothing to do with Paint itself but were feature of GDI, even one pixel wide lines and such things were dithered when drawn with dithered color.

It probably got removed in Windows 2000, when GDI gained alpha channel support, as the dithering mode was specified in upper byte of 32b COLORREF, which probably got at least internally repurposed as alpha (also, alphablending dithered surfaces is not exactly sane thing to do).

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by throwaway7645 »

mwexler wrote: post #67

All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that…

Wait what...Fedora dropped "ls" and "grep"? Why?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by tunetine »

Maert wrote: post #85
tunetine wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't draw circles and arrows, etc in that tool though. I need to point out the obvious sometimes. Well, actually most times.

http://imgur.com/a/0oDU7

It's too sloppy even if I could draw that well with my mouse or highlight in a somewhat straight line. Nevermind the regular employee, sometimes I'm sending it to Directors and C-levels, etc.
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