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Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by Symbiote »

ajdlinux wrote: post #178
cakeface wrote: post #11

Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.

It doesn't perform that well with some of my folders which are >300,000 messages. (protip don't subscribe to LKML)

GMane.org [1] provides an NNTP (newsgroup) interface [2]. You can more easily set the automatic expiry rules for a newsgroup.

Careful configuration of the sending/reply address should let you reply to the mailing list by email as normal, or there may be a way using NNTP -- the documentation on the GMane website is missing, as they're rewriting the service.

[1] http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel

[2] nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by Sir_Substance »

CJefferson wrote: post #93
cakeface wrote: post #11

Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.

The search is unusable -- wedding finds 'weds'. There is no way to do exact searching. I reported this 5 years ago, lots of other people have complained about the stemming, there has been no fix. There is no support for outlook/exchange. Not saying it's trivial, but it's useful in the modern era. IMAP folder support is very flakey, I reported some bugs but nothing got fixed.

>There is no support for outlook/exchange. Not saying it's trivial, but it's useful in the modern era.

http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

It may not be an "ideal" solution in that it requires a second program running, but given that you're working with a closed, non-standard protocol, that's kinda par for the course.

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by Gonzih »

CJefferson wrote: post #93
cakeface wrote: post #11

Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.

The search is unusable -- wedding finds 'weds'. There is no way to do exact searching. I reported this 5 years ago, lots of other people have complained about the stemming, there has been no fix. There is no support for outlook/exchange. Not saying it's trivial, but it's useful in the modern era. IMAP folder support is very flakey, I reported some bugs but nothing got fixed.

I agree about search, but I don't think that rewrite using web technologies is good solution to this particular problem.

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by XorNot »

firebird84 wrote: post #70
mook wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calendaring is excellent for a one-person effort (mostly one person, anyway), but still has issues around the edges (e.g.CalDAV doesn't work as nicely as macOS Calendar.app). It probably doesn't help that the server I have to use it with is half broken too; overall the experience isn't as good as Outlook + Exchange. But that's not only because of Lightning. Overall the main problem is probably that not enough people…

I agree about Outlook + Exchange. Plugins exist for thunderbird to integrate but they just don't have the same quality of experience. Simply using outlook is less frustrating for me.

The meeting attendance functions need some work. And I'd throw cash at a bounty if an attendance "solver" could be added (ala heres who has to come, here's my standard list of rooms, find me a spot which is unbooked)

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by pjc50 »

WalterBright wrote: post #173
cakeface wrote: post #11

Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.

It needs end-to-end encryption. This isn't hard to do. Add a field in the header for your public key. When receiving mail, store the sender's public key in the address book. Then, when sending mail, if there's a public key for the recipient, then encrypt it. No user interaction is required.

> This isn't hard to do

Yes it is. Or someone would have done it by now.

> When receiving mail, store the sender's public key

You mean "the public key associated with the inbound email". You don't know anything at this point about how it relates to the person you're intending to correspond with, because the key could be MITMd.

Also, this approach does nothing to solve the fact that most people would prefer webmail and mail synced across multiple devices, which is an even more painful key management problem.

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by bugmen0t »

The backstory here is that Thunderbird devs would like to be faster but have a hard time working against the Gecko changes that breaks their build.

Sure Thunderbird kind-of works, as in it's "done", but people find Security bugs in the Firefox base and it's not sure how they apply to Thunderbird to Thunderbird has to take the update and then they have to deal with the breakage and the incompatibility. You can't just stop and be on Firefox 45 forever. That's just asking for trouble.

Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies

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Post by watter »

problems wrote: post #28
cakeface wrote: post #11

Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.

I feel the same way personally. I feel like I see tons of people complaining about it, but it's just what I want out of a mail client. The UI is a great, the GPG integration is great with enigmail, it's a very polished product. Not only that, but making one based on web technologies that moves away from the native look and feel it currently has would truly be a loss in my opinion. I'd probably give Claws Mail and alp…

If you're on Linux uninstall mscorefonts.

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Post by addicted »

nkkollaw wrote: post #138
krzyk wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google Inbox used be called Sparrow ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparrow_(email_client) ), which was a regular app that Google acquired. I used it since the beginning. It was a new paradigm back in 2011, which is now the standard in modern clients. Could you name a few apps that have the Inbox/Sparrow features like snoozing an email until some time in the future? I would love to have that, I looked for Thunderbi…

Lots of them, on what OS are you? Apple Mail has it.

Outlook has it. At least on iOS.
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