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How many jobs really require college?

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Re: How many jobs really require college?

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I can't help but feeling this has something to do with women. Namely that women are "winning" the education game. Each year, the fraction of women to men in (almost) all programs are steadily increasing.

Since men aren't winning anymore, the game clearly wasn't that important. Let's create a new game and play that instead!

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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I think the author of this post is making the same mistake that a lot of other people (particularly smart folks) make whenever they are thinking about the ills of modern education system and what can be done to improve it. Like Peter Thiel and others, I don't think they understand how and why students are failing in classrooms today. Take for example the author's suggestions on how school systems can be improved: Cre…

>Can you really expect high school students to perform well in online classes? The most elite companies in the valley have correctly found out that remote doesn't work (in most cases)... and yet we're going to do remote with our students?

Perhaps the reason why a remote work setup is difficult to execute is because students are never trained for it in the first place.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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From my experience college is not so much about actual knowledge acquired but mostly about learning to learn and think. I could have studied civil engineering instead of CS and be exactly as good software developer as I am, maybe even better.

Is college absolutely necessary to perform some jobs? Probably not. But I think I'd benefit if my hairdresser or tailor (I don't actually use services of any of those) attended some technical university during his/her career. Real shame is that not everybody has time and money to do that.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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From my experience college is not so much about actual knowledge acquired but mostly about learning to learn and think. I could have studied civil engineering instead of CS and be exactly as good software developer as I am, maybe even better. Is college absolutely necessary to perform some jobs? Probably not. But I think I'd benefit if my hairdresser or tailor (I don't actually use services of any of those) attended…

have known and worked with great programmers who majored in biology, english and film.. so I absolutely concur with this statement.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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Remote doesn't work. I know, I work remote with people in 4 continents across 6 timezones. It simply doesn't work. You can't teach people, you can't train people, you can't show anything over a phone or a chat. On top of that, as soon as you have different timezones with little to no overlap. You cannot synchronise or work with your colleagues at all. Remote work and remote teams should be limited to people who are a…

Do you have any other proof than your single anectdotal evidence? No?

How about you provide proof that it works instead?

Prove me that you can have a conversation with someone who's 8+ hours away and sleeping when you are awake.

Prove me that you can teach someone over the phone to use a python profiler, knowing he's never used a profiler before. (That's one of the thing I had to do last week).

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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Do you have any other proof than your single anectdotal evidence? No?

How about you provide proof that it works instead? Prove me that you can have a conversation with someone who's 8+ hours away and sleeping when you are awake. Prove me that you can teach someone over the phone to use a python profiler, knowing he's never used a profiler before. (That's one of the thing I had to do last week).

Why are you teaching people at all? If you hire professionals they either know what you need already, or you tell them "We use X. Go and learn X."

There are remote-only outfits, and they do fine - at least as well "We're not getting any work done because we're in an open plan office and we can't hear ourselves think" outfits.

But hiring policy is an issue, and so is PM. It needs people with a compatible attitude, and that includes management.

It's not that remote is a panacea, but it shouldn't be a showstopper either. There are plenty of productivity killers in non-remote work styles too.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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> The most elite companies in the valley have correctly found out that remote doesn't work There are enough companies out there with remote employees and even remotely distributed teams to disprove the assertion that "remote doesn't work".

I have the feeling remote works only for people who have an intrinsic motivation to be good at what they do. I met a whole bunch of people who want to be a dev because it pays well. Most of them need constant supervision.

My intrinsic motivation for choosing software engineering is pay. I don't think painting people like me with a broad brush of "needing constant supervision" is charitable. I am motivated to be good at what I do because I want to maintain my high pay, and push it higher still.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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From my experience college is not so much about actual knowledge acquired but mostly about learning to learn and think. I could have studied civil engineering instead of CS and be exactly as good software developer as I am, maybe even better. Is college absolutely necessary to perform some jobs? Probably not. But I think I'd benefit if my hairdresser or tailor (I don't actually use services of any of those) attended…

That's totally confirmation bias. Smart people are more likely to go to college. Almost everyone becomes wiser between the ages of 18 to 22.

Why are you so sure that college is causative here?

I don't doubt that college is where many people grow up more intellectually, but I have yet to see proof that it is the cause of that growth.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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I have the feeling remote works only for people who have an intrinsic motivation to be good at what they do. I met a whole bunch of people who want to be a dev because it pays well. Most of them need constant supervision.

This continues to be a discussion point around remote work. This is displaced. You're talking about poor hiring standards. It has literally nothing to do with remote work.

I wouldn't say nothing. If there are some people who are poor as remote workers, but improve significantly in collocation, then the remoteness can indeed mean something in itself.

Anecdotally, if the work environment is healthy (i.e., not open office trash), I think everyone benefits. I personally think remote is a good option if collocation is not possible--but not preferred.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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post #7

I think the author of this post is making the same mistake that a lot of other people (particularly smart folks) make whenever they are thinking about the ills of modern education system and what can be done to improve it. Like Peter Thiel and others, I don't think they understand how and why students are failing in classrooms today. Take for example the author's suggestions on how school systems can be improved: Cre…

> At age 13, give everyone a $100k education voucher.

Good lord, how about just give that money to schools?

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