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America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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I understand that it's difficult to avoid litigation of decriminalization (or, apparently, subsidization) in discussions about illegal drugs. I'm generally receptive to decriminalization. But I'm not making a point about decriminalization. In the same way that it's counterproductive to spend a lot of time talking about prohibition in mass incarceration discussions (significant reduction in incarceration --- which is…

I don't understand this "purity of argument" argument. You'd like to ignore prohibition as a cause of these problems, apparently since this other cause also exists (...conveniently ignoring that they're actually two aspects of the same cause, since pill mills are an unavoidable result of prohibition: never mind that). I contend that looking for "the one true big cause" is a mug's game. Sure, it would be nice if physi…

while we're talking about the orthagonality of people's comments, I have one to contribute!

This is the second of your posts I've read in an hour with a b^) (checking your history shows at least one more) and now I'm curious. I've never seen that face before. The first time, I assumed it was a carelessly-executed B^) "2cool4you sunglasses wearer grinning sarcastically," but I guess it's not. My best guess is that it's winking - but winking is usually light-hearted and seems odd paired with the ^) nose/mouth that I associate with black comedy/sarcasm.

If ^) is light-hearted to you, I'd guess "quirky, almost flirtatious wink and grin." If it's not, I'd guess "smirking, exaggerated and heavily ironic wink." For people I know well, I could probably tell which one they meant; for strangers on the internet, less so. Is either interpretation close to the mark?

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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I live in Trumbull County in Ohio, the dark red county in North East Ohio. We recently had 23 (non-fatal) overdoses in a two-day period[0]. That's roughly .01% of the county's total population - so yeah, it's getting bad here. There were recently two shootings within a mile of my house. Several people dead. Both shootings were drug related. I can't help but look around and believe that the needs these folks are tryin…

> Maybe the answer isn't to make heroin available OTC at Walgreens

Actually, in UK you can get actual opioids (as co-codamol) behind the counter, without a prescription. Funny how they don't seem to have a disastrous and deadly opioid epidemic like the US has.

I'd so much rather live where people can get cheap pharmaceutical grade heroin at the pharmacy than where people who need opioids end up smashing windows to steal my laptop to buy some dangerous and overpriced fentanyl contaminated "heroin" that ends up making them overdose in the street (transnational criminal organisations tend to lack purity standards commensurate with those of prescription drug manufacturers, weirdly enough).

Crackdowns on "pill mills" and "doctors who overprescribe" is what denies people a safe and legal source of pharmaceutical-grade opioids and forces them onto the black market of illegal, extremely overpriced, dose-uncertain, and fentanyl-contaminated opioids -- all of which make drug use a lot more problematic and dangerous (for both the user and the community) and pushes people from "drug dependence" (needing a regular, constant dose of a medication to function) to "drug addiction" (problematic, damage-causing drug use).

Dose uncertainty especially contributes to the harm of drug use -- if the doses aren't uncertain (and are precisely metered like those of other, pharmaceutical-grade medications), it's a lot easier for the user to find the right dose that extinguishes the withdrawal symptoms and the pain while not ending up anywhere near an overdose. Also the ability to access pure opioids with precise doses means it's a lot easier to take the drugs as a periodic, regular dose and not have one's life disrupted by extreme highs and extreme lows and drug-craving. This allows users to maintain a normal, productive, non-criminal life with other things in their life (family, hobbies, career) than just the pursuit of opioids.

In US, the "epidemic" of OD deaths only began when crackdowns intensified on legal, pharmaceutical, sources and prescribers of opioids. The DEA cracking skulls over opioids and investigating doctors is literally the only reason illicit fentanyl (and its even nastier analogues) are common illicit products now. I am so very doubtful that skull-cracking and door-kicking will miraculously work after decades of it not working. Prohibition has given us carfentanil in illicit heroin. If you don't know what that is, it's a fentanyl analogue so potent that it's been successfully used as a chemical weapon. This is not an anomaly -- it's just the "iron law of prohibition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_prohibition) at work.

> It's not like anything else is working.

Prohibition isn't working, and has caused tremendous devastation to society, and the opioid epidemic is just another instance of this. Prohibition has to get wound down, from the top (end the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs and the statutes that give it effect) to the bottom (make it so local police can't arrest or search people for any drugs offences (possession, manufacture, use, transport, sale, purchase) regardless of the drug or quantity).

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Here are some alternative facts. Red means bad: https://www.brighthearthealth.com/wp-content/uploads/OpioidA...

Wonder why the northern great plains are so resistant to this problem?

I'm from those plains and my guess is folks there refuse such drugs, even when they may need them (like after surgery), because:

1. They're tough people. A little pain means you're still alive!

2. They don't want to get hooked - too many people/animals rely on them.

3. Social stigma associated with such drugs.

I had foot surgery a couple of years ago and the Dr. tried to prescribe me opioids but I refused. I've seen the damage getting hooked on those can cause (in Dallas) and don't want that junk anywhere near my life.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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The pill supply has to lowered ... in the past. However now the US made that mistake, what's the problem with continuing to give out the pills "like candy", although with tighter controls to make sure that they don't go to create new addicts?

People with pain deserve treatment for that pain. For people with short term pain, or who are at the end of life, opioids can be a good choice. For people with long term pain opioids can, rarely, be a good choice, if other things have been tried first, and if there's a careful package of care. Most people with long term pain need variations of / combinations of: 1) Access to evidence based pain management specialist…

I'm not sure if this is inherent in your #1, but there should be an increased focus on alternative methods for dealing with pain. For instance, since starting meditation training, I haven't needed so much as a single Ibuprofen. It's not that my incidence of pain has decreased, but my way of thinking about/reacting to that pain has changed dramatically and I can now make just about any pain quickly fade into the background. It's also helped me to clarify the difference between pain and injury to know when I can push through the pain and when I need to pull back and rest.

I learned an important lesson, however. Doctors will frequently use the amount of pain someone is experiencing as a diagnostic aid when determining a patient's diagnosis. I had a ruptured eardrum that I saw a doctor for and that doctor misdiagnosed it because I wasn't showing any signs of pain and that injury is supposed to be excruciating. The doctor explained to me that if it was ruptured, I'd be near tears and screaming for pain medication.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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We have ~400 overdoses per month here. ~20% of that is fatal overdoses because those ODs are from users doing it by themselves and not inside one of the shooting galleries we have set up. The safe injection sites work as advertised but for many reasons some addicts don't go there, mainly because debt collecting gangsters and drug dealers hover all around the front doors, and stigma of standing in an addict lineup that spreads for blocks for all to see.

There's a few reports here from VANDU a group run by addicts on the effectiveness of peer-run supervised injection sites and needle exchanges, meaning run by other addicts instead of government employees http://www.vandu.org/reports/

The problem is synthetic opioid is being used to buff out heroin so street dealers can save money by importing less heroin from India (how it comes into Canada). They keep coming up with new synthetics to bypass precursor prohibition or import laws, plus China has factories pumping this shit out legally which can easily be smuggled since it costs far less than heroin from India/Afghanistan.

Whenever you talk to a street addict basically the reason they got on heroin was they had some other substance abuse problem, usually cocaine, alcohol or meth, there was a shortage of that substance because either they couldn't afford it, busts made it scarce, or they were in jail so through peers they accessed heroin instead and got hooked.

Methadone doesn't work, they've already abandoned that idea here and moved to just handing out heroin to the worst cases, or hydromorphone which has a proven success rate in weening addicts off drugs.

Somewhere in all this is a solution that doesn't involve enabling career bums who want free heroin for life and doesn't involve 400+ ambulance calls per month draining our resources.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Speaking from Singapore here. We don't have any drug problem at all. Drug dealers get death penalty. It's illegal to consume, too. You are put in jail.

I pity your poor citizens who can only resort to legalization. Addicts are not healthy for the society or for the economy. It's just a matter of very bad (crime) or bad (jobless and getting high at home, disturbing neighbors).

Government use tax I paid to supply water, electricity and infrastructure. I don't agree that it's wasted on addicts.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Speaking from Singapore here. We don't have any drug problem at all. Drug dealers get death penalty. It's illegal to consume, too. You are put in jail. I pity your poor citizens who can only resort to legalization. Addicts are not healthy for the society or for the economy. It's just a matter of very bad (crime) or bad (jobless and getting high at home, disturbing neighbors). Government use tax I paid to supply water…

You pity us. Oh please.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Its the easiest way for politicians to stay elected while not upsetting their benefactors.

Up to a point, yes. Then it becomes a mess for everyone.

You'd think thats the point where it gets fixed, but thats when the cycle begins again.

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Speaking from Singapore here. We don't have any drug problem at all. Drug dealers get death penalty. It's illegal to consume, too. You are put in jail. I pity your poor citizens who can only resort to legalization. Addicts are not healthy for the society or for the economy. It's just a matter of very bad (crime) or bad (jobless and getting high at home, disturbing neighbors). Government use tax I paid to supply water…

The war on drugs doesn’t work, certainly not in the US:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs

Re: America’s opioid epidemic is worsening

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Speaking from Singapore here. We don't have any drug problem at all. Drug dealers get death penalty. It's illegal to consume, too. You are put in jail. I pity your poor citizens who can only resort to legalization. Addicts are not healthy for the society or for the economy. It's just a matter of very bad (crime) or bad (jobless and getting high at home, disturbing neighbors). Government use tax I paid to supply water…

Speaking from Australia, I find the Singapore solution barbaric and totalitarian, no better than the new Philippines president.
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