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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

warbiscuit wrote: post #38
tehlike wrote: post #9

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This. I am from Turkey, and i will be nervous every passing day from yesterday on, watching news to see if Turkey is added to the list. I am still years away from naturalization, and it saddens me to think about relocating, after having left where i was born for a better and productive life. Nobody chooses their birthplace, but these are the people that decided to make a change, and in a way that historically benefit…

What makes Donald Trump's action so sickenly selfish is that a better life is why his grandfather Friedrich Drumpf immigrated from Bavaria. Though one could argue 3 generations later that act of immigration is not benefitting the US.

Eh if you look from a narrow angle, he is providing employment through his business. I think that's a benefit to the country.

It's too early to say what benefits the country will have after his presidency.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by grzm »

551199 wrote: post #195
grzm wrote: post #172

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It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion. Every group on HN notices things that appear to be against them. It's normal human bias. I've seen plenty of flagging/down-voting going on all sides of various issues. If you legitimately are interested to dig into this more, there are at least tw…

Calling people openly nazis, racist, homophobic and other awful names when it couldn't be further from the truth shouldn't be encouraged on a site that prides itself with respectful conversation. Altman Time to Take a Stand Post: Search for any of those words https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13507993

I agree that it's not right or helpful to mislabel people or call names. Please don't read my comment as supporting that in any way. What I was addressing is the perception that it's one-sided.

I don't think looking at a single submission is adequate in dealing with the perception issue, but for the sake of argument, I looked at all of the references for "nazi" (as it was the first on your list) in the comments for the submission you referenced. Only one of them in my opinion can be construed as name-calling, and that is nuanced in that it explicitly says "not all". Still not great, admittedly, but not the blanket name-calling you imply.

This is all the effort I'm willing to do for you on this front. I think this shows good faith. I encourage you to take a step back and look at everything as a whole as objectively as you can. I know this is hard (it's hard for me), but it's increasingly important lest we increase the polarization we already have. We can't control how other people behave directly. All we can do is do our best to control our own behavior to encourage others to do likewise and move forward constructively.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508902

popular support for Nazism has been purged from German culture.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13509130

Trump voters are not 100% made up of nazis, in essence.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13510141

Germany wasn't 100% made up of Nazi supporters either. That didn't stop disaster.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508404

I've sen a lot of angst over the last week about people on the left expressing approval for 'punching nazis' following Richard Spencer suffering a whack on the ear during a TV interview. It's true, someone, probably form the left, carried out an act of physical violence while he was just standing there talking.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508941

I am even wiling to defend the concept of free speech for people like neo-nazis and the kkk - but only up to the point where they endorse violence against others as opposed to merely asserting their own superiority.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508852

Punching nazis is OK. The left gets to decide who is a nazi.

Punching commies is OK. The right gets to decide who is a commie.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13509038

We restricted Nazi immigration, we restricted communist immigration, and we should certainly restrict Muslim extremist immigration.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508999

If you mean Nazi Germany, my opinion is that there aren't actually that many parallels.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508593

For some reason I'm thinking of a parable that goes like: "First they came for the Nazis"...

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508879

And Obama was the biggest nazi of all times

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508763

I'm not saying it has not errupted (it has) I'm saying violence and the glorification if it (as in people sharing the punch a Nazi video) is a dead end and will definitely strengthen trump support.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508587

It is not possible to really invoke Godwin's law regarding Trump, he already opened this door when he accused the CIA of being like NAZIs for reporting he facts.

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Post by finid »

vinayan3 wrote: post #196
finid wrote: post #165

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So what are the Democrats doing about this. The silence from that group is deafening.

Chuck Schumer made a statement yesterday. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-tears-are-running-... Media might not be covering their response more? But, I don't know what they could do in Congress.

Well, that site is bad. Clicked on the search button because the link does not exist, and got taken to another site

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Post by WildUtah »

greglindahl wrote: post #137
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #105

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Obviously it doesn't affect citizens. The problem is it affects legal, permanent residents. And innocent people. Trump is already busy throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It affects citizens who want to get married to non-citizens.

It gives them an excellent opportunity to move to their new spouses' countries and settle down there.

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Post by mikeash »

greglindahl wrote: post #137
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #105

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Obviously it doesn't affect citizens. The problem is it affects legal, permanent residents. And innocent people. Trump is already busy throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It affects citizens who want to get married to non-citizens.

And citizens who are already married to non-citizens.

I'm worried about this. My wife isn't from one of the banned countries, but who knows if that will remain the case in the future?

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

waqf wrote: post #186
scrollaway wrote: post #149

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Three things: 1. It's not what "half of you wanted". It's what a portion of the portion of those that voted in a 55% turnout election wanted. A tiny and vindictive portion, that lost the popular vote. 2. Even if it were what "half of you wanted", it's also what half of you did not want. This is not a kid's game where you count up the points and call the clear winner. If half of your population's will is being disrega…

> If half of your population's will is being disregarded and worked against, there is a problem . Then it seems to me there has been a problem in the US for many years now. (Good news everyone! There's now a problem in the UK, too!)

Yes, there has been a big, big problem in the US for many, many years now, but it got especially bad with the gerrymandering in 2010.

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Post by mikeyouse »

finid wrote: post #165
rgbrenner wrote: post #71

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It may also be illegal: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigrat... The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S. http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1965_immigration... Ex…

So what are the Democrats doing about this. The silence from that group is deafening.

Lol, blame the Democrats for not doing what? The Rs control the White House and both branches of congress.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by lazyant »

camus2 wrote: post #92
lazyant wrote: post #50

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

> Proud to be Canadian, I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?

you have a (small but valid) point

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by mikeash »

cpcat wrote: post #106

It's really hypocritical that you only start noticing this happening now. The same has happened under Obama. I have a friend who was denied going back to University of Chicago last year https://www.facebook.com/ridakoon/posts/10158098402210427?pn...

Individual injustices are not new. Wholesale bans of everyone from certain countries are. Both are bad, both deserve to be fought, but they are on completely different levels.
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