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The Problem with AMP

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Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by coldtea »

wheelerwj wrote: post #172
greenspot wrote: post #162

Google is abusing its powers. The search rank is our currency and Google has pushed AMP sites to the top for some while. So, everybody is now building weird AMP layers for their sites. We went from a free to a proprietary mobile web in just a few weeks. And we can't do anything. It feels like the times when the Internet Explorer tried to rule except that more people were complaining. The open solution to a faster mob…

> Google is abusing its powers. They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. It's up to us to find a way to kill google and take back our internet. Edit, i love the downvotes for this. Google is legally required to act in their shareholders best interests. You all should understand fiduciary duty. They are building long term value for a massive (and growing) customer segment at the expense o…

>They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.

There was such a thing as ethical and societal responsibility for businesses.

Thinking making profit by any means as long as they are nominally legal is acceptable for a company is just something some people believe. No natural law that says it has to be so -- we could easily (and have had) believe the opposite.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by coldtea »

wheelerwj wrote: post #177
joelthelion wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Violating anti-trust laws?

I'm no google fanboy, but they haven't been convicted of violating any antitrust laws here in the US. Edit: Again with downvotes. Have I made an inaccurate statement?

You don't have to be convicted to be violating, because:

1) Not all violators will necessarily be convicted.

2) Even for those eventually convicted, there's always a period when they are violating, but not yet convicted.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by gedrap »

ejcx wrote: post #29

One thing I love about AMP, that seems to never be mentioned when people discuss it, is viewing AMP-HTML pages on my laptop. I wrote a small chrome extension that always forwards my page to the equivalent AMP page (if one exists) and the experience of reading the news is so much better. AMP pages off mobile are really really amazing. Compare Non-AMP[0] vs AMP[1] [0] http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Trump-on-the-…

Firefox has 'reading mode' that does similar, strips out all the stuff such as sidebars, etc, without most of the downside associated with AMP (being open, to start with). Occasionally it misses some media stuff (e.g. embedded videos), but works well vast majority of the time so I'm happy with it.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by throw2016 »

Something like AMP should be an opt-in for users that requires marketing, education and the standard process of trying to make your idea work in the market. Currently its being forced down users and websites throats and is a blatant abuse of market power.

There should be a opt-in for every search that specifies amp explicity to signify you want it. Google should be taken to the cleaners for trying to expand its market power so egregriously. Since its is not going to happen in the US at least the EU can step in. There has to be something illegal about these kinds of monopolistic actions.

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Post by kittiepryde »

joelthelion wrote: post #175
wheelerwj wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is abusing its powers. They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. It's up to us to find a way to kill google and take back our internet. Edit, i love the downvotes for this. Google is legally required to act in their shareholders best interests. You all should understand fiduciary duty. They are building long term value for a massive (and growing) customer segment at the expense o…

> They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Violating anti-trust laws?

What would the process of being convicted of anti-trust laws for a website, when in order to use a competitor, you just have to type 'bing.com' or 'duckduckgo.com' into your address bar?

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by wheelerwj »

coldtea wrote: post #212
wheelerwj wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no google fanboy, but they haven't been convicted of violating any antitrust laws here in the US. Edit: Again with downvotes. Have I made an inaccurate statement?

You don't have to be convicted to be violating, because: 1) Not all violators will necessarily be convicted. 2) Even for those eventually convicted, there's always a period when they are violating, but not yet convicted.

Guilt before innocence, got it.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by tomrod »

freyir wrote: post #6

AMP is one of the most frustrating experiences I've had with Google. the fact that it's foisted on users, with no option to disable it, makes it borderline infuriating. If you're stuck on an AMP page in your mobile browser, you can click on the browser's "Request desktop site" option to load the full page.

User here. I didn't realize I had an option to get the full site. As far as mobile web goes, I'm appreciative I don't have to slog through broken websites, CSS mishmash, flash ads, etc. Just the text, some basic structure, and fast loading times? I'm downright thankful to Google for this!

The bar has been set. Can you find a way to both resolve personal frustration and provide a better experience? Maybe a browser plugin?

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by wheelerwj »

Fnoord wrote: post #208
wheelerwj wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no google fanboy, but they haven't been convicted of violating any antitrust laws here in the US. Edit: Again with downvotes. Have I made an inaccurate statement?

FYI: Although I suppose everyone every once in a while is surprised about the way their posts are moderated on HN and other websites (if they notice, that is) it is annoying when people complain about downvoting. I just automatically downvote that. Sometimes what you state just isn't popular for the crowd who reads it and/or moderates it. Doesn't mean you are right or wrong. Just take a deep breath and give it a rest…

> I just automatically downvote that.

We can both agree that one of us needs to change.

The guidelines are fine, the part you should change is automatically downvoting anything. Just jumping on a bandwagon makes for pretty boring reading too.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by oflannabhra »

My biggest issue with AMP regards its UX. In mobile Safari, scrolling is hijacked. This creates two issues: non-native scroll momentum, and the inability to scroll to the top (by tapping the status bar).

I have several other issues as well, but they are mentioned in the article.

Re: The Problem with AMP

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Post by sz4kerto »

kittiepryde wrote: post #215
joelthelion wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are a business, doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Violating anti-trust laws?

What would the process of being convicted of anti-trust laws for a website, when in order to use a competitor, you just have to type 'bing.com' or 'duckduckgo.com' into your address bar?

If using competitor is not viable. Similarly, one could have installed an alternative OS with an alternative browser in 2000, but the jury thought that it's not that simple.
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