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Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by el_benhameen »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #191
saberworks wrote: post #161

Does it count if there's no user interface? Amazon has my email address, I've been a customer since the late-nineties. They keep inventing new email lists and signing me up for them. Each time I get a new "newsletter" it says something like, "You got this message because you're subscribed to the 'Tablet News' newsletter." I click the unsubscribe link to remove myself from it. Along with the unsubscribe link there's a…

For what it's worth, marketplace sellers don't have access to your email address, Amazon relays email messages through their servers. I am a seller on Amazon. I didn't think I have access to email addresses but you got me curious. I just went into an order and clicked "contact buyer." It gives a contact form that has the receivers address as something like dq22t5nz9n27qma@marketplace.amazon.com with a note "IMPORTANT…

Going forward, you can append "+whatever" to the username portion of your email address, e.g. You+spam@gmail.com, and gmail and most other providers I've used will ignore that part. Use it to trace the sharing of that address. I used that when signing up for a particular mailing list and found that my address was shared with about a dozen other marketers.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by 13of40 »

walterbell wrote: post #202
wernercd wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update 9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update". Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f * you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings. I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by choicenotchance »

redwards510 wrote: post #137
mvid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tinder is the worst I have seen, they require you to pick between 1-5 stars to get the dialog to go away at all. Guess who always gets one star.

Tinder has another horrible UI trick, not sure if it qualifies as dark pattern or just terrible coding. On Android, they require you to enable the global option "Always allow Wifi scanning" in order to get your location. If this is disabled, they pop up a dialog saying "Enable? Yes | Cancel". Hitting "Cancel" immediately pops the dialog back up again, so you cannot use the app at all until you click "Yes". edit: Some…

Yeah. They want the location always. Fuck that. Why not just take it from the ip address you can detect?

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by swehner »

saberworks wrote: post #161

Does it count if there's no user interface? Amazon has my email address, I've been a customer since the late-nineties. They keep inventing new email lists and signing me up for them. Each time I get a new "newsletter" it says something like, "You got this message because you're subscribed to the 'Tablet News' newsletter." I click the unsubscribe link to remove myself from it. Along with the unsubscribe link there's a…

Good idea to avoid amazon.

Did you try unsubscribing from all their newsletters?

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by Tempest1981 »

Here is another unsubscribe dark pattern: http://imgur.com/a/lLZAE

* Do I check the item if I want to unsubscribe from it?

* Or do I uncheck the items I don't wish to receive?

50-50 chance -- which I'm sure they love. Clicking "Update" gives no feedback either, just reloads the page.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by ktta »

soared wrote: post #18
cs702 wrote: post #15

Great video and great website. My only nitpick: the author wants the industry to agree on a "code of ethics." Unfortunately, such exhortations strike me as naive. They are unlikely to work, because the truly bad actors will continue to use dark patterns regardless, putting pressure on all other actors to follow suit. The key challenge is not in getting the good actors to do the right thing, but in preventing the bad…

I agree and that goal sounds similar to the goal of Kill Analytics [1]. "The industry" doesn't even exist as an entity. Gov regulation seems like the only viable way to fix it. But on the other hand, Google AdSense has done a lot to improve advertising online. Popups and bad ads used to be waaay worse than they are now (not that they are okay now). So maybe we do just need a few big players to step up and change thin…

Does anyone know how this is different from/compares to Privacy Badger[1]? It is also a chrome[2] and firefox extension[3].

[1]:https://www.eff.org/privacybadger

[2]:https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/privacy-badger/pke...

[3]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badge...

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by closeparen »

artursapek wrote: post #91
cm2187 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even Apple is doing it. You you want to update your iphone now or tonight?

Software updates are the rare case where I can forgive it. It's annoying to have clients actively resisting updates, especially security updates.

I can't, since the "tonight" option never works and "right now" I'm interacting with my phone for a specific purpose that (like navigation) that won't wait half an hour or three quarters of a charge for an OS upgrade.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by PacketPaul »

13of40 wrote: post #212
walterbell wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.

And you will never get an OS update again. Android products seem to be orphaned at whatever OS is current at the time of production.

Just bought a new Android table and it had lollipop. Turns out you cannot get the most recent OS for it so I am stuck with a 2 year old OS.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by gfody »

el_benhameen wrote: post #211
nommm-nommm wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, marketplace sellers don't have access to your email address, Amazon relays email messages through their servers. I am a seller on Amazon. I didn't think I have access to email addresses but you got me curious. I just went into an order and clicked "contact buyer." It gives a contact form that has the receivers address as something like dq22t5nz9n27qma@marketplace.amazon.com with a note "IMPORTANT…

Going forward, you can append "+whatever" to the username portion of your email address, e.g. You+spam@gmail.com, and gmail and most other providers I've used will ignore that part. Use it to trace the sharing of that address. I used that when signing up for a particular mailing list and found that my address was shared with about a dozen other marketers.

The shady places will just trim everything after the + anyways

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by calesce »

artursapek wrote: post #195
a_c wrote: post #194

Does darkpatterns.org support api query? There ought to be one available so that various tools can be built. For instance, a browser plugin to warn users upon visiting dark pattern websites

Take it further - introduce a "darkness rating" like Google's old pagerank value. I wish Google would punish websites for doing this stuff.

They started punishing those mobile web "install our native app" interstitials about a year ago, hope there's more stuff like that coming.
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