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Post by kofejnik »

danudey wrote: post #158
autognosis wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're all crap labels. They contain no knowledge. What confused people call "liberals" aren't so about firearms and markets. "Liberal" is from the latin word for "freedom". SJWs are not liberal. They don't want free speech. CA is not a liberal state by looking at its taxes and firearms laws. These are authoritarian ideas. Rectification of names... Labels and Knowledge are totally independent things.

Freedom can include the freedom from harasment, which is a curtailing of speech. That's a liberal idea. The other alternative is 'let people say anything they want and they can just learn to deal with it', which doesn't work with e.g. death threats, harassment, etc. That's why one freedom might be more important than another. People who claim it's a negative are usually upset that they can't attack, belittle, or hara…

>> Freedom can include the freedom from harasment

yeah, War is Peace

or, as they taught is in Scientific Communism classes, "Freedom is a conscientious necessity"

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Post by chippy »

Typing this regardless of the thread being flagged and disappearing - but I've a comment on Twitter generally.

This, to me, seems the result of a Western tech company meeting the world. It's a result of growing and enlarging the people using it. It's an indication of different cultures, societies and ways of looking at the world.

To get more people, Twitter has been forced to appeal to a wider range of people. When it started it was just people like us, techies, using it. It was good, remember?

So we are seeing what happens when cultures and people clash. If anything, Twitter needs to make the bubble better, not reduce the bubble. Facebook does this really well - things can be shared from outside the circle but its not usually some internal comment thread. Twitter makes it too easy for different people to talk to each other.

As humans, the best way is to have more empathy for others, to understand that other people you encounter may have different world views. Most online conflict occurs not due to ideas but to lack of empathy of others. Twitter as it is does not encourage empathy between people.

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Post by EJTH »

So freedom of speech is now only for religious extremists like ISIS, Al-Nusra etc. whos supporters are free to express themselves on twitter.

The more the establishement tries to fight the alt-right, the more free (and valid?) publicity it recieves.

I didn't really believe in the so called "anti-white" agenda, but the more I see these guys getting censored for simply expressing their (somewhat legitimate) concerns and their views while ISIS supporters are free to express their hate towards the general western population, the more I am beginning to accept the fact that there is a clear anti-european sentiment deeply rooted in international politics. In other words: It really does seem like there is an "anti-white" agenda, especially considering how islamist extremists are free to share their decapitation pictures on facebook and twitter while raising concerns for some official stats gets you banned and labelled as racist.

BLM acitivists are free to call for the killing of all "white cis males" on twitter, that is apparently not hate speech at all - Sometimes I just get the feeling that the entire world is FUBAR.

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Post by jsmith0295 »

metilda wrote: post #193
jsmith0295 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a small percentage of activists. I'm 21, and I live in Ohio, which Trump won by 9 points, and it seems like a huge portion of people about my age are proponents of these ideas, on or off of college campuses. People call things "white" as in insult, they constantly say things like "white people have no culture", and really do seem to believe that all evil in the world is the result of things white men do…

Huh, out on the West Coast I've only encountered a minor amount of this coddling "it's all white racists fault" BS on college campuses. I've expected more, but the worst I've seen is pronoun related (aka "What's your pronoun?"), which I respond to with schlee, cause fuck tracking someone else's pronoun, that is not my job. Use what you want, don't try to force me to remember your shit (name, pronoun, etc)!

In my personal experience there seems to be a pretty big difference based on the age. People who are like 26 are much less aggressive about it than people who are 18-22.

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Post by alistproducer2 »

throwanem wrote: post #199
alistproducer2 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness IMO this is what distinguishes a traditional liberal from a a progressive. For me, a liberal is basically libertarian with a belief the state can be used to ensure the rights of citizens are administered evenly. IMO, if someone's actions aren't depriving another of life or liberty, the state doesn't have much standing in regulating that activity. Progressive…

> Gay people getting married deprives no one of anything. There's an opportunity cost. I expanded on that a few days ago, and rather than rehearse it again, I'll link the answer I gave to "What do anti-gay-marriage people gain?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12933668

I read you comment. I get your point on why the state provides benefits for marriage. You're argument that civil unions should suffice misses the point and is ignorant of the facts. The fight for marriage equality is not because gay people are overly attached to the nomenclature, there's a real practical difference between unions and marriage[1].

Also you quoted me in your response, but your comments made no argument against my quote. Care to shed light on why people you don't know getting married deprives you of something?

1: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/marriage-compa...

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Post by jsmith0295 »

tdkl wrote: post #195
jsmith0295 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a small percentage of activists. I'm 21, and I live in Ohio, which Trump won by 9 points, and it seems like a huge portion of people about my age are proponents of these ideas, on or off of college campuses. People call things "white" as in insult, they constantly say things like "white people have no culture", and really do seem to believe that all evil in the world is the result of things white men do…

Sounds like "if the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" view of the world. People throwing "white" as a slur, then react like a victim when someone opposes. Hypocrisy over 11, but sadly fixing it would take psychotherapy, because they're prone to this behaviour not having any prospects/purpose in life.

and then there's the question of how many therapists would validate this thought process? And how much will that number increase?

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Post by return0 »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #29

Twitter doesn't turn a profit, do they? If they get a couple months of losing users, that could easily pop their inflated stock. I'm not sure this is a good move for them.

As long as saudi arabians keep pouring money into its tanking stock, i 'm alright with it.

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Post by return0 »

pekk wrote: post #90
cft wrote: post #79

Regardless of the alt-right point of view, I can only hope that https://gab.ai takes off and does not get shut down or sabotaged. We need a neutral social media.

Is it the same thing to be permissive and to be neutral?

Yes. Would you say your power outlets are political?

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Post by return0 »

commenting wrote: post #37

Good riddance. Twitter shouldn't let itself be a recruiting platform for neo-Nazis and their ilk. This is consistent with the ban on ISIS propaganda accounts, which was also a positive step towards combatting online extremism.

So, you prefer it when they make their plans behind your back ?
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