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The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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> orchestras specializing in older music may sometimes tune in the tuning close to the one for which the piece was originally written, which may range from 415 Hz to 470 Hz). I can say as someone who performs a lot of Baroque music (c. 1600 - 1750) that there is a relatively common standard of A=415 for music of this period. A=415 is often referred to as "Baroque pitch." This mainly applies to ensembles that speciali…

Opera singer here - you must be playing in North America. In Germany tunings range from 436 to 444, depending on what you're playing. Most theaters tune to 442. One thing that gets opera singers (like me) up in a knot about this, is that the human voice is not a tune-able instrument. There are registration issues in fixed frequency ranges, which we can't change. At A440, a register shift happens a quarter tone lower…

Yes I am in North America (Seattle area). However I've also noticed this on recordings of international groups. For example, both Bach Collegium Japan and Taverner Choir (England) have recorded Handel's Messiah at A=415. I didn't realize Germany favored higher pitch.

Personally I prefer singing at A=415 since my voice is lower set. :)

Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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Couldn't the Kilogram be derived from the Liter, which in turn can be derived from the Meter? From what I recall: - 1 Liter of pure water at 4 Celsius is 1 Kg. - 1 Liter is a cube with 10 cm on each side.

I always thought it was amusing that the basic definition of the liter was taken at 4C, but that lab equipment was calibrated at 20C...

I think that's because 4C is the point where water is the densest, whereas 20C is a comfortable room temperature.

Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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Couldn't the Kilogram be derived from the Liter, which in turn can be derived from the Meter? From what I recall: - 1 Liter of pure water at 4 Celsius is 1 Kg. - 1 Liter is a cube with 10 cm on each side.

Generating a perfectly homogenous 4C over an environment large enough to contain a kilogram of any useful substance is going to be incredibly difficult and mearusing it even moreso. There's a reason every unit of measurement aside from mass is derived from an electrical property; we can measure electrical properties down to ridiculous precision, measurements small enough that all measurement uncertainty is removed.

That is good to know.

Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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Decided to try searching this and found this lovely site: > A=432 Hz, known as Verdi’s ‘A’ is an alternative tuning that is mathematically consistent with the universe. Music based on 432Hz transmits beneficial healing energy, because it is a pure tone of math fundamental to nature https://attunedvibrations.com/432hz/ Oh new age pseudo science. My mom loves this stuff and I never fully understood why. My sister gets…

She's right to get angry. There's nothing special about 432Hz (see my comment above on it's absolutely arbitrary nature), BUT the numerology that falls out of musical harmony is is indeed special and makes most of human race happy because of the aesthetic satisfaction that Pythagorean harmony (or even it's equal-tempered cousin) delivers to people. Science is very good at describing things and why they're interesting…

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Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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I wouldn't be so sure there is nothing special about the duration of a second. It comes from dividing a day into two sets of 12, then those 12 into five sets of 12 (12x5=60), then those 60s into 60 each. We know our bodies do follow circadian rhythms, so you have the initial link to length of day. Then everything else is split into sets of 12, a number with exceptional properties that natural selection may optimize t…

> I wouldn't be so sure there is nothing special about the duration of a second. It comes from dividing a day into two sets of 12, then those 12 into five sets of 12 (12x5=60), then those 60s into 60 each. That's exactly why, actually. This is what the second was once defined as, but the problem is that the length of a day varies slightly - up to ~8s depending on the time of year and other seconds. As the article men…

Here is what I mean, nothing needs to be vague. My model predicts that the preferred pitch should track something like this with date and latitude: https://s11.postimg.org/mkw753lpf/image.jpg

The only free parameters are:

  F0 = the pitch of A4 on the when there are 12 hours of day/night
  k  = a scaling factor that determines how much to change the pitch based on duration of the variable second
Here I used F0 = 432 and k = 1, but those values will probably need to be determined by experiment.

Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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post #202

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Well, I'm not a sound engineer, but I think it's conceivable that 432Hz tuning might sound better due to entirely non-mystical reasons. From the perspective of harmonic entropy, or at least I think so, the tighter differences between each notes' frequencies and that makes the problem of fitting intervals into ratios harder. I recognize that this bit is entirely personal, but I think that can make otherwise "simple" m…

What??? Tighter differences between each notes' frequencies?? Please explain this thought.

Well, I'm assuming that the ease or difficulty of recognizing the difference between two notes bears some proportion to difference between their frequencies (the frequency of one minus that of the other), and not just their relative frequencies. The intervals in the 432Hz are "tighter" in the sense that, because the interval they correspond to in 440Hz is smaller for every possible interval, there are more notes in 432Hz tuning in any given arbitrary frequency range (say, from 100Hz to 1,000,000Hz) than in 440Hz tuning. And this makes the problem of recognizing them harder. I should've made this out clearer.

For instance, a half-tone from 432Hz is 457.69Hz, which gives out a difference of 25.69Hz; but a half-tone from 440Hz is 446.16Hz, which gives out a difference of 26.16Hz. Between 432Hz and 864Hz we can fit a whole scale, while in the same frequency range we'd be missing a note with 440Hz tuning.

Of course, this is a slight difference and it might not be noticeable at all. I personally don't hear much difference between the two tuning. Instead, I'm playing devil's advocate.

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Because it requires a core assumption of anti-intellectualism. It doesn't bother you when friends and family are sold on something that is baseless and are completely opposed to actually researching it and at the very least becoming more skeptical about it?

Nah. We evolved to be superstitious. It's evolutionarily advantageous. Why? Because it's much less costly to develop a random incorrect superstition than it is to miss an important correlation. How harmful is it to meditate to 432Hz compared to... well maybe without that superstition they wouldn't even meditate at all. It's probably advantageous, even though it's bullshit. As long as they aren't engaging in harmful b…

I would argue that "not letting it go" is equally harmless and to be permitted to the same degree that you propose otherwise.

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The one whose inheritance is next squandered on highly priced meditation chakra recordings and excessively expensive hoax high-end audio equipment? (From Youtube to purchasing mail order junk...)

Until that person dies or is otherwise ruled incapacitated, it's their money to spend however they like.

No it isn't. Spending is very clearly regulated, and you are only allowed to spend it on sufficiently 'normal' things.

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And you actually pointed out why those two things are different. We understand Star Wars is space wizards. New-agers do not understand that their beliefs are mostly bogus.

Luckily for us software development is a completely rational discipline, and is immune to fads, fashions, rhetoric, snake oil, and beliefs with no empirical foundation.

There's a difference between the practice of software development and the effects of software on the world.

Re: The “432 Hz vs. 440 Hz” conspiracy theory

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post #46

Decided to try searching this and found this lovely site: > A=432 Hz, known as Verdi’s ‘A’ is an alternative tuning that is mathematically consistent with the universe. Music based on 432Hz transmits beneficial healing energy, because it is a pure tone of math fundamental to nature https://attunedvibrations.com/432hz/ Oh new age pseudo science. My mom loves this stuff and I never fully understood why. My sister gets…

She's right to get angry. There's nothing special about 432Hz (see my comment above on it's absolutely arbitrary nature), BUT the numerology that falls out of musical harmony is is indeed special and makes most of human race happy because of the aesthetic satisfaction that Pythagorean harmony (or even it's equal-tempered cousin) delivers to people. Science is very good at describing things and why they're interesting…

> science can't tell you what's beautiful or how to live.

Yes it can. If you feel otherwise, it is because you're ignorant of how science actually works and how general its base principles are.

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