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Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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> I love it, because it's un-addicting. To me this is synonymous with "has less features" or "unusable". I think Microsoft actually did an ad campaign on this "un-addicting" thingy. If you're actually optimizing for time well spent, re-read https://medium.com/swlh/distracted-in-2016-reboot-your-phone... (you can apply most of this to Android).

As a former long-time user of Windows Phone, it's not "unaddicting" in a way that's boring. There are plenty of apps to waste your time with. It's just that you don't need to. When I used Windows Phone, I didn't need to open an app to see the weather, or to see my text message, or to see my email. The live tiles made sure I could see all of that from the home screen. One glance across the screen and I knew everything…

As far as I know, you can do all that with homescreen widgets on Android. Or am I misunderstanding you?

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…

I bought a 2015 Sony TV with Android TV and I'm very happy with it.

Just give it a couple more years. I was very happy with my GoogleTV until Google abandoned the platform.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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So the code was available but certainly not permitted to be used in a competing product without licensing. The BIOS had to be clean-room reverse engineered to legally build PC clones. If anything, the availability of the code made things more difficult for Compaq!

Sure, but the conversation is wandering now. The original comment wasn't about Compaq. (It didn't even mention it.) It was about the IBM PC and whether IBM "schematics and BIOS source code". Which they did. And regarding the burden that IBM's choice strained Compaq with, in the overall impact on the industry, any difficulty was by far offset by the benefits. If we're going to focus on BIOSes, for example, the fact th…

It is not wandering.

All computers on those days had such manuals and extension slots.

Had Compaq not done a clean room reverse engineering, everyone would have to license from IBM just like in other computer systems and the PC market would never have blossomed as it did.

In fact we are just going back to those days in what concerns selling packaged hardware and software as one single product.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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post #166

Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…

I believe most of the top has been with mozilla since before Firefox.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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I want a dumb display and a smart STB -- because I don't want to have to replace a thousand-dollar display just to get new STB hardware. It's why I have a TV and a Roku, rather than a Roku TV. Why combine them when their upgrade cycles don't match up?

AFAIK at this point the dumb TVs all have worse displays.

Which is why I just ignore the smart stuff and use a capable STB instead.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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Not only that, they're ripping out support for it from the Gecko code base, which means that the only way to get security updates for it will be to fork Gecko. I doubt anyone has the resources to do that. It's basically dead. (Every non-Firefox consumer of Gecko has met the same fate so far.)

Mozilla of course has every right to determine how it wants to allocate its resources... but to me, this action speaks loudly that you cannot really count on them to stay the course. So, from an outsider perspective, every initiative must be analyzed skeptically, since they may leave you holding the bag. This is always true to a degree, but the more true you think it is, the less likely you are to jump onto said init…

> This is always true to a degree, but the more true you think it is, the less likely you are to jump onto said initiatives.

It's certainly the reason I've never paid Firefox OS any attention (and it's a lot of why I won't even look at most things coming out of Google).

If leadership aren't aware of this general "meh" attitude, they really should be.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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So the pattern seems that zippy-compiled-modern-language-strongly-typed stuff works as a basis for a framework on devices, No? Why not just go with that paradigm for a new Firefox OS but call it "Phoenix OS" or something? Would be cool if they abstracted that for JS developers with ReactNative-like developer experience on top of it so it was more approachable as well or just let Facebook do that. Dumb idea? Good? This is probably not taking into account the cash buckets raining from the two ivory towers that already did it though.

Re: Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS

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post #166

Number 1 reason why I didn't pick up an Panasonic 4K TV, because i knew Firefox OS will be dead some day. And number one reason why I REALLY want an APPLE TV Set rather then Apple TV STB. Most of the Smart TV on the market today are total piece of Junk. They are what "Smart"phones were before the iPhone came out. As a matter of fact, SmartTV from China are pretty good on the software front, and lacking ( price cuttin…

Well, in fairness, David Bryant joined Mozilla in mid-2015 and Ari Jaaksi in late 2015; Firefox OS was dead in the water before either joined. The leadership problems exist above them.

Mozilla has no technical leadership problems, but they have some huge people and business leadership problems, and until they figure out a path forward, the path will continue to be a meandering trail to the bottom :(

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