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Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by robocat »

andrewmlevy wrote: post #145
PaulHoule wrote: post #23

Some of those screenshots make my eyes bleed, particularly the one with the multiple-windows with one of the windows having the painful app selector that pretends to be a window selector. When will we see Android 7 on a third party device?

We just analyzed Android manufacturers [1] and found they tend to update in two groups: 3 months after release (Motorola, LG, HTC) and 6 months after release (Samsung, Sony, Huawei). This of course ignores Nexus devices by those manufacturers. [1] https://www.apteligent.com/2016/08/apteligent-data-report-an...

However beware of following the advice given...

If a higher percentage of Samsung devices are updated (graph keeps going up), then that would imply you were more likely to get an update.

The graph currently emphasises the first mover speed (which is affected by carriers, not just manufacturers).

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Post by sirtastic »

bicx wrote: post #45
luma wrote: post #42

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> my expensive phone is going to be left behind. You bought a $350 phone and received updates for 3 years. I think you're in for a surprise when you price out a new iPhone.

This. Battery life on my Nexus 6P is just fine, at least equal to my friends with their iPhone 6 Pluses. My Note 4 also had solid battery life before that. For the most part, modern Android phones are much better than their predecessors in terms of battery. The UX is also quite nice as well.

This. My 6P lasts over 3 days with regular camera use while backpacking and all day with heavy use.

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Post by markmark »

thirtyseven wrote: post #89
int_19h wrote: post #57

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There is one awesome new feature that is not mentioned on most "best new features" list: built-in night mode (blue light filter). Works much better than similar apps from the store - those work by placing a translucent overlay window on top of everything else, which gives everything (including black!) a reddish hue. The new built-in filter, on the other hand, just removes blue, and blacks remain black.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that this made it into the final version of N. I can't find it anywhere in the settings anyway.

It's on my 6p which had an updated this morning that I assume was N final (I've been running the betas). It's in the dropdown settings pane. You might need to hit "EDIT" and add it as a tile?

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Post by dingo_bat »

microtonal wrote: post #200
dingo_bat wrote: post #183

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You really need to buy a flagship to compare with iPhone.

But the update experience on flagships (except if you count the Nexus 6P) is absolutely terrible. I had an Android excursion: Nexus 4 -> Moto X 2013 -> Moto X 2014. Motorola was known at the time for quick updates. This meant in practice that they pushed out an extremely buggy Android 5.0 quickly, and then waited half a year to push out a release with fixes. On the Moto X 2013 I had to wait more than a year (!) for L…

> But the update experience on flagships (except if you count the Nexus 6P) is absolutely terrible.

I don't really agree. I have always got regular security updates on my Samsung flagship phones. Yeah I will have to wait ~6 months for Nougat but that's hardly of any concern. There is no feature in Nougat that I don't already have from Samsung. The only thing you have to care about is the monthly security patches and Samsung has been one of the fastest to issue those every month.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

microtonal wrote: post #205
JohnTHaller wrote: post #198

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Nexus 5 launch price: US$349 iPhone 5 launch price: US$649 A phone nearly twice the price should be supported quite a lot longer.

But it's not quite a bit longer, but much longer. The last major update for the Nexus 5 was Marshmallow. Mashmallow was released in October 2015, the Nexus 5 was released in October 2013. So, one got major updates for 24 months iff you bought it on release day and you were lucky to be in a region where it was available in in October 2013. The iPhone 5s was released in approximately the same timeframe (September 2013)…

The Nexus 5 was released in October 2013 and was on the most up to date version of Android through August 2016. It will continue to get security updates. Plus it will continue to get updates to Google Services (a chunk of what we think of as Android) and the core apps including the default browser. Unlike Apple, Google doesn't really do the 'you get the next version but a bunch of new features are disabled' thing. The fact that Google Services, core apps, Chrome, and other things will continue to get updates does feel vaguely reminiscent of it, though.

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Post by voltagex_ »

GCA10 wrote: post #136
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #132

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The Nexus 5X has no wireless inductive charging. My nice little Yootech charger sitting on my desk is useless with my wife's 5X. Those cool "charging tables" at Starbucks and other such places are suddenly useless, as well. Also, 5X uses the USB-C connector, so you have to update all your cables and adapters on your desk and in your car. A real pain. When you're out in the world and need a charge-up, you'd better be…

The good folks at Anker make thumb-size adapters that graft onto a USB-mini connector and turn it into a USB-C. These are easy to carry around and cost all of $5.99 on Amazon. Takes most of the hassle out of traveling in a mini-world. You do have to remember to collect them when you're done, but the penalty for forgetting every now and then is not ruinous.

Anker have made a silly deal with some distributors that means that outside of the US and UK, genuine Anker products can be hard to get.

(Local distributor here has a minimum 1.5x markup plus a very very limited range)

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Post by piyush_soni »

jchendy wrote: post #203
mderazon wrote: post #92

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Best new features for me are fingerprint sensor, USB-C and and quick charge. Quick charge is a game changer. Less pressure to make the battery bigger if you can make the phone charge way faster.

> Best new features for me are fingerprint sensor, USB-C and and quick charge. For me, USB-C is the worst part. Nobody else ever has a charger I can use, and when I plug into anything other than the wall adapter that came with the phone, it's always "charging slowly."

I keep this in the small key pocket of my jeans all the time (though my 6P battery life is around 1.5 days with heavy use):

https://www.amazon.com/adapter-Adapter-Convert-Connector-One...

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Post by kalleboo »

saint_fiasco wrote: post #140
plttn wrote: post #51

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The alternative is the iOS update process, which has the result of non-techies complaining that their iPhone 4 is now slow after the update, and the techies they know pleading with them not to update even though the number gets bigger.

Do old versions of iOS receive security updates?

iOS 6 got an update for goto fail even after iOS 7 was out, but that's the only time they've done it I think. I think in that case it could have been because they still had in-warranty devices that didn't support iOS 7

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Post by dmichulke »

desdiv wrote: post #191
Sylos wrote: post #125

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Signal has a Google Play Services dependency for notifications, so it won't work properly without installing the whole Google package. Open Whisper Systems (the developers of Signal) apparently don't want to replace it or even just build in a fallback [0], and even fought with the LibreSignal developers, which is a fork that removes this dependency, and told them to stop using their servers [1], which lead to LibreSi…

There's a FOSS replacement for Google Play Services¹, and even Moxie himself² suggests using Signal with it if you not comfortable with Google Play. ¹ https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki ² https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

I am using it and while it's not really working for me (I suppose an update broke it), it's enough to convince Signal to install.

It doesn't receive push notifications but I still receive messages once I run the app in the foreground (a thing I almost consider a feature now and not a bug)

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Post by opayen »

arvinsim wrote: post #188
coredog64 wrote: post #52

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Lollipop? I wish! My Samsung tablet is stuck at KitKat unless I'm willing to try a Cyanogenmod nightly.

I wish I didn't update my Nexus 7 2012 to Lollipop. Lollipop made it crawl compared to Kitkat.

You can still go back to Kitkat by resetting it (I did and the performance difference is astonishing).
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