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Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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I like the term DRP (Digital Revenue Protection) Seems to cover the intent of things quite nicely :)

RMS always refers to DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. Also conveys the intent quite nicely - plus you can keep the acronym ;-)

I thought he used it to refer to delicious ripped foot manifolds?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

I'm running NoScript, and I saw no anti-AdBlock or video. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that NoScript is the only reasonable way to browse the web today. Random websites can't be entrusted to run javascript in a way that's not hostile to my interests.

> Random websites can't be entrusted to run javascript in a way that's not hostile to my interests.

I encourage you to consider that any website that runs arbitrary code on your computer _at all_ is hostile to your interests, by default. Websites today are becoming more programs than documents; rather than presenting you with a download dialog like you'd traditionally see with software, your browser is clicking "Download and Run" for you.

Cooper Quintin of the EFF had a Privacy Badger talk at LibrePlanet 2016 that emphasizes just how many third parties you are "trusting" when you visit a website.

https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/ending-online-...

I spoke more generally:

https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/collection/resto...

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

Consider using the browser Brave which strips all ads by default. When a site like Wired screws with me, I just use Brave.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

I clicked back instantly. It's idiotic to have a video spew out high volume sound automatically. Almost woke our one year old. So no more clicking on wired links for me!

It's also at the bottom of the page. Even if we assume I'm interested in their video I would have to manually restart it anyway just so I can see it from the beginning.

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I just bought an internet radio for my stereo (yes, I'm that old, I have a stereo). I was surprised to discover it also had a wire in the box that turned out to be an FM antenna. I thought with internet radio, who needs an FM tuner? (all the local stations have streaming URLs) Turns out I actually like it. It's handy when the internet fails, or when you're nearing data caps, or just want to run it all day without int…

I only listen to french public FM (news, culture, politics ... Little to no ads) and I find the "native multiroom support" enjoyable compared to sonos, devialet, pi setups, pulseaudio, airplay, chromecast ...

All it requires is a handful of cheap FM receivers.

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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What's going on with Wired? This page has an autoplay video ad below the article text and an anti-AdBlock full-screen subscription nagger that pops up a few seconds after page load.

Sometimes when I hit a nagger, for example Forbes, I can load the site from google search and the nagger is averted

https://www.google.com/search?q=site://www.wired.com/2016/07...

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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I don't follow your logic. The iPhone would receive audio from the station over "a radio signal from space" either way. TCP/IP is just a protocol. What is the "massive profit factor" Apple enjoys from using that protocol?

All the deals Apple made with the cell co's to get their users to suck up the bandwidth, duh. Cellular Data rates being what they are, I fail to see how anyone cannot see the profit motive. If you're listening to Spotify instead of FM radio, you're fulfilling one of the promises Apple made to the cell co's: we will give you users who will use our phones to suck up Cellular Data ..

Can you ELI5 why this is a benefit, please?

Cellular bandwidth is expensive and supplies are finite. You can add more bandwidth, but that generally means building more cell towers etc.

By contrast, a single FM broadcast can support millions of users (within the transmitter's footprint), and you can add millions more listeners for no extra cost.

The mobile phone companies are using Wi-Fi and other means to save cellular bandwidth. Wouldn't it make sense for them to encourage the use of FM to save cellular bandwidth?

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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> Thirdly, why does the hardware have an FM receiver at all if I can't use it? It doesn't. One of the support chips happens to have an FM transceiver along with the ones the phone uses, but it would also need an antenna and an amplifier to be able to receive FM radio. And a bigger battery and a bigger case (or less battery life). And more software. And more product QA and support.

I just looked into the chip, and can see now that you're right. I agree that Apple probably hasn't enabled it because the amplifier and antenna are unfeasible.

Odd that they won't work in a £700 phone when they work perfectly well in a £10 phone.....

Re: Your Phone Has an FM Chip. So Why Can’t You Listen to the Radio?

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Which microwave? I have a hard time imagining ways it could be improved over what I have. Put food in, twist a knob to set time, microwave starts.

You probably own an old microwave, lucky you. Newer models usually have a digital interface with have various buttons - that's probably the non-intuitive interface the OP is referring to.

It's almost brand new, bought it last year. Samsung. IIRC they had models with analog and digital knobs but both function the same way.
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