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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by lazyjones »

chatmasta wrote: post #105
maratd wrote: post #92

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> This feels like the very definition of systematic failure and clearly needs to change. > It's all very depressing. Not at all. Because of this fiasco, every clown with political aspirations will be using an approved and encrypted system instead of rolling their own garbage.

What about the threat of the agency who secures the system simulateously compromising it in order to gain blackmail material on its user?

In that case, I'd worry about the user doing unlawful/immoral things they can be blackmailed with. Agencies have made up accusations and set up traps for politicians in the past (and worse: see FBI vs. Martin Luther King, Jr.). If they can blackmail a person with the truth, chances are that others can do it too (criminals e.g.).

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by facetube »

atf104 wrote: post #147
stillusingvb6 wrote: post #145

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She knew. People spoke up. She lied. There is a reason she is getting hit from every major news org. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/now-know-hillary-lied-multiple...

Ok she sucks, but she's still the lesser of the two evils imho.

There are three options left. The democratic party has not nominated a candidate yet.

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Post by coredog64 »

exabrial wrote: post #171
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

Actually no, we're fortunate this isn't happening in 2017, or 2018. We can still keep her out of office, and we should, on moral grounds, not party grounds. Unfortunately, the alternatives to her aren't that great either. I'm hedging my bets until November, hoping some sort of miracle happens. Hoping this election invokes the 12th amendment and goes to the house. I feel none of the current candidates would be eligibl…

Sweet Meteor of Death 2016!

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by eli »

ctdonath wrote: post #127
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. Baloney. She was the second most powerful person in the US government. If she couldn't get them to provide modern secure communications, she had the ear of the one who could. If it was as you say, and truly that systemic a problem, then indeed heads should politically roll - starting from the…

Ever work in a really large oraganization and try to demand something from some far-flung other division? Not so easy.

She shouldn't have set up her own server. And the NSA should have been more sensitive to how important mobile email is to a modern diplomat.

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Post by zhte415 »

ldness wrote: post #146
Alupis wrote: post #76

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> She still had a .gov e-mail address She did, officially, but she's mentioned several times she never used it, and wanted to have her private email server for "convenience".

I love her values - personal convenience vs national security. This is just the sort of person we need in the White House. It reminds me of a president (I forget which one) who tied up Air Force One on a runway at who knows what cost to the taxpayer just so he could get a haircut.

2 minutes of runway delays, according to the wikipedia source, the FAA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_haircut_controver...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by _dominic »

ryanlol wrote: post #190
snappy173 wrote: post #118

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>Clinton's staff was told that "use [of the BlackBerry] expanded to an unmanageable number of users from a security perspective if you don't provide a secure way to get shit done, motivated individuals will figure out how to get shit done, security be damned. happens every time. that's what happened here.

They offered her a non-blackberry alternative. That's not what happened here.

You could rephrase it, "if you don't provide [an easy and] secure way to get shit done, motivated individuals will figure out how to get shit done, security be damned. happens every time. that's what happened here."

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Post by coredog64 »

karmacondon wrote: post #164
engi_nerd wrote: post #19

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And those slipups should open her to prosecution under the Espionage Act. A number of security professionals (I mean security in the government, Information Assurance sense) have told me that if they or I were to do anything like what Secretary Clinton did, we would be liable to be prosecuted.

This is very true. But you aren't the Secretary of State. I'm sure there are people at a high enough level at wherever you work now that the normal rules don't apply to them. That's the nature of any organization. C-level executives, military generals and high level politicians can all decide not to follow certain rules if they choose, especially when it comes to IT policy. I'm not saying that what Clinton did was ri…

David Petraeus, Director of the CIA, lost his job and had to plead guilty to a misdemeanor for inappropriately sharing classified information.

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Post by GVIrish »

merpnderp wrote: post #203
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

I've almost entirely given up on conversations in HN threads, but the recent State Dept Inspector General's report concludes that after the server was found to be compromised, the staffers who found the issue were told to never speak of it again. This wasn't just poor IT security, this was willful ignorance of the consequences of state secrets being in the open. It is incredibly likely she was targeted by foreign int…

> This wasn't just poor IT security, this was willful ignorance of the consequences of state secrets being in the open.

To be clear, this was unclassified email. Classified email is on a separate network.

Certainly having access to the Secretary of State's unclassified emails could yield valuable intelligence insights but these are not emails that are going to contain "secrets" per se.

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Post by coredog64 »

slantedview wrote: post #74
gormo2 wrote: post #52

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They wouldn't give her the fancy mobile device that she wanted. They offered alternatives. She just wanted a Blackberry.

If this were, say, some poor low level government worker saying they stored classified info on a private server because they just wanted to use a blackberry and anything else was too inconvenient, no doubt Hillary would call for their head on a spike. The hypocrisy of her record contrasted with this situation is strong. Either you believe in the rule of law, or you don't. Clinton's actions have shown that she does no…

J. Scott Gration, the U.S. emissary to Kenya from 2011 to 2012 (during Clinton's tenure as SoS) was in the middle of being disciplined for improper use of email (among other things) when he resigned.

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Post by GVIrish »

mason240 wrote: post #205
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

>Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. I have a very hard time believing that the 3rd (possibly 2nd) highest person in the US government couldn't get their IT requests fulfilled.

The NSA is not beholden to the State Department so they could very easily have told her no. Even between different branches of the Armed Forces there is limited ability to force the issue if another branch doesn't want to do something.
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