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Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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So obviously there is quite a lot of overlap between companies doing important things (by that incredibly broad definition) and companies that devote some of their resources to diversity. It's almost as if working on important things and caring about diversity are not mutually exclusive, that people/companies can care about multiple things... I don't get why it is so irksome to you that a company would make a diversi…

"Do you assert that that doesn't happen?" Yes. Many (most?) ethnic minorities are significantly more successful than whites in the US. Whites represent the largest group of people in the US living in poverty. Whites must face the entire ideology of diversity which is that they must be replaced by non-whites due to inherent moral inferiority. Wait you're right I think systematic disadvantage does happen..

Whites represent the largest body of every class. That's kind of how numbers work.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Europe doesn't have the sort of ingrained racism that exists in the United States. For example: > Despite similar rates of drug use, black people are nearly four times as likely to be arrested for marijuana use,⁴ and black males are often given longer sentences for crimes than their white peers.⁵ [ from https://medium.com/@dan_nott/what-is-mass-incarceration-ff73... ] Likewise, women tend to make significantly less m…

Despite similar rates of drug use, black people are nearly four times as likely to be arrested for marijuana use This can be pretty obviously understood as the result of compound charges, of which the drug charge is a minor component. Bear with me, facts incoming... Black people, particularly young black males commit crimes at a much higher rate than other groups. In committing these other crimes and then being arres…

> How are you defining 'viewpoint', and 'seriously'? What does it mean to take seriously the viewpoints common in Islam that -- gay people should be persecuted, to the point of being thrown off buildings, stoned to death, or beheaded? family members should kill other family members in the name of 'honor'?

Do you seriously (heh) think this is what they meant by 'viewpoint'? I have a hard time believing you didn't go out of your way to construct this monstrous strawman. It doesn't take a genius to realize that people who have had different experiences, upbringings, environments etc. will perceive the world differently. It takes a certain kind of immaturity to miss out on the value others provide in this way, though.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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This blog post reads to me like the Pokemon motto "Gotta Catch 'Em All". Being non-american (I'm from a South American country) it is hard for me to understand the importance giving to these things associated to racism and sexism. The United States is the only place I have seen where people invest a considerable amount of time and resources just to put people from minor groups or specific genders in pedestals just to…

Plenty of non-USA countries are concerned with the amount of each group in other groups. Ireland gives political parties less money if there aren't at least 40% female candidates.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Europe doesn't have the sort of ingrained racism that exists in the United States. For example: > Despite similar rates of drug use, black people are nearly four times as likely to be arrested for marijuana use,⁴ and black males are often given longer sentences for crimes than their white peers.⁵ [ from https://medium.com/@dan_nott/what-is-mass-incarceration-ff73... ] Likewise, women tend to make significantly less m…

Europe has a different type of racism though. There's a reason why the Muslims there become extremists but stuff like that almost never happens in the USA.

Among the reasons, you can walk and hitchhike from Iraq and Syria to central Europe, but not to the USA; and you have a chance (only a chance) to reach Lampedusa or Pantelleria from Lybia in a dangerously overloaded disposable boat, but not to cross the Atlantic ocean.

Muslims in the USA typically got there by plane, with a visa; this is enough to filter, from the mass of generic Muslims, non-angry respectable middle class people instead of the mostly desperate, very poor and often illegal refugees and immigrants we get in Europe.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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"Institutional racism,"(has it undergone re-branding as "institutionalized discrimination"?) is this vague, boogey-man term used as an explanation of last resort to explain the "achievement gap," among other divergences between the races. The thing is, there is tenuous evidence at best for "institutional racism," and in nowhere near the quantity that would be needed to account for all of its supposed effects. Indeed…

"Institutional racism,” also “Systemic racism,” is not a vague, bogeyman term, it has a specific and objective meaning. It can be measured and has been measured, repeatedly. In almost every area of American life, there are measurable effects. Blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites for the same crimes. They are more likely to be sent to prison and to get longer prison sentences given the same criminal recor…

Another interesting parallel, is the people who turn up on articles about renewable energy to tell you that wind power doesn't work, that it kills birds, that it uses more carbon than it saves etc. And then it becomes clear they don't believe in climate change, and that is what drives their involvement in the conversation. This then makes their opinions on how best to solve climate change a bit suspect at best.

Similarly, if you believe that racism doesn't exist or (subtly different) that some races are simply inferior and thus deserve a lowly place in society, then your list of talking points on the horrors of affirmative action ring very hollow.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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"Do you assert that that doesn't happen?" Yes. Many (most?) ethnic minorities are significantly more successful than whites in the US. Whites represent the largest group of people in the US living in poverty. Whites must face the entire ideology of diversity which is that they must be replaced by non-whites due to inherent moral inferiority. Wait you're right I think systematic disadvantage does happen..

Citation needed. I've been directly involved in hiring/interviewing under these circumstances and the idea of lowering technical standards just to meet a quota was never entertained. We simply recruited through diverse avenues. Mostly the diversity statement itself was sufficient to let potential candidates know they could apply without fear of rejection for not being "like us". I've never actually seen evidence of a…

Citation: law/med school admissions in US.

So active discrimination against an equally qualified white candidate is ok?

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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post #212

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"Do you assert that that doesn't happen?" Yes. Many (most?) ethnic minorities are significantly more successful than whites in the US. Whites represent the largest group of people in the US living in poverty. Whites must face the entire ideology of diversity which is that they must be replaced by non-whites due to inherent moral inferiority. Wait you're right I think systematic disadvantage does happen..

Whites represent the largest body of every class. That's kind of how numbers work.

Not as undergraduates at Harvard. Or children under 5 in the US. Or residents of London, England.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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>there's a good chance it's because you're biased (intentionally or not) in your recruiting or evaluation. I don't think this is necessarily the case. Or even likely the case. For example, we know that the number of blacks, latinos, and women studying CS, etc., is much lower than their proportion in the population. It follows that even the most equitable tech company is unlikely to have demographics which match the p…

I tried to be careful in my phrasing, which is why I said "broader population of qualified candidates" and not "population at large" or "general population", and "good chance" instead of "certainty", because as you point out there are unfortunately systemic factors outside of your immediate short-term control that will affect the numbers. But I think a lot of people/companies use this as an excuse to just not even tr…

>But I think a lot of people/companies use this as an excuse to just not even try, and that doesn't make sense.

Doesn't it? I doubt that hiring people of different ethnic backgrounds from the same country makes any difference in the performance of a team, so exerting extra effort to do so is likely a net loss for the company.

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