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Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by Manishearth »

StevePerkins wrote: post #79
autoreleasepool wrote: post #43

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I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. Java has long been my primary professional language, and over the past few years Go has taken on a strong secondary niche at my job. I'm big fan of both, and tend to play Switzerland in arguments between them. That being said, the best Go…

> (3) Using a plain text editor, which for a typesafe language is a bit daft.

What's wrong with using Vim, Emacs, or Sublime? There are plugins out there which get you a lot of the IDE magic (including jump to definition, autocomplete, autofmt, and there probably is something for inline errors)

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by Goopplesoft »

jjnoakes wrote: post #206
lopatin wrote: post #196

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I agree that it's necessary to pin dependency versions down somehow. So I commit my Go dependencies into my project's version control. I heard Google does this internally too, but I can't confirm that. But I can say that I've had zero problems using this dependency approach for building web systems in Go. There's just something about the ecosystem of dependencies. Most of the deps I use are considered to be done . Th…

What do you do when a dependency has a security problem? Or some other bug?

Its generally unlikely those things lead to interface changes. e.g. func bcrypt(salt string, password string). Generally the bug isn't in the interface. So its somewhat safe to upgrade the dep and see if the compiler complains

Also exporting of interfaces is protected by case private()/Public() which leads to refined interfaces being exported. And the go vet tool expects all exported functions be documented.

Not saying a package manager wouldn't be nice.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by Manishearth »

duaneb wrote: post #47
meddlepal wrote: post #8

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Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.

Green threads are awkward to express with the JVM threading/memory/io model. The runtime is massive (contrasting to the go model of statically linking deployment binaries). Some semantics (such as unsigned 64-bit integers) are difficult to express. Java's JNI is a PITA. I don't believe go's c bindings are much better, but the JVM definitely has its sore points. Finally, the object-oriented nature of the JVM is someti…

FWIW: https://github.com/kilim/kilim

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by shopkins »

iainmerrick wrote: post #103
StevePerkins wrote: post #79

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> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. Java has long been my primary professional language, and over the past few years Go has taken on a strong secondary niche at my job. I'm big fan of both, and tend to play Switzerland in arguments between them. That being said, the best Go…

(4) Xcode? There are lots of iOS programmers out there.

Still in camp #1 (AppCode). As someone who also does development outside of iOS, you couldn't pay me enough to solely use Xcode.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by kasey_junk »

tptacek wrote: post #187
kasey_junk wrote: post #165

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Oh my god...is that new? I swear I've tried that and it didn't work. You are my new hero. [edit] Though maybe I was thinking of adding parameters like https://play.golang.org/p/FKUMlQzCI5 In any case 'thebaer continues to be my hero.

It's how html/template.Must works, isn't it? We have a small library of functions for sweeping up error returns, and for collecting errors from multiple functions and checking them all at once. It helps a lot . Golang is very much on to something with it's "errors are values" philosophy, but I'd be the first to acknowledge that it's not a fully baked philosophy. It is weird to discover fundamental things about how to…

I could justify my ignorance by pointing out that for all the time I've spent using Go with http, I've not had occasion to use it for html. But, that would only mask my utter embarrassment at missing a core language feature, and worse yet something I complain about as a weakness of Go.

I'll be over here muttering to myself about monadic error values...don't mind me.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by voidlogic »

StevePerkins wrote: post #79
autoreleasepool wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. Java has long been my primary professional language, and over the past few years Go has taken on a strong secondary niche at my job. I'm big fan of both, and tend to play Switzerland in arguments between them. That being said, the best Go…

(4) Use LiteIDE, simple IDE written for Go.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by charlieflowers »

StevePerkins wrote: post #79
autoreleasepool wrote: post #43

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I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. Java has long been my primary professional language, and over the past few years Go has taken on a strong secondary niche at my job. I'm big fan of both, and tend to play Switzerland in arguments between them. That being said, the best Go…

A huge percentage of those doing #2 are using Resharper (a JetBrains plugin for Visual Studio).

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by jwcrux »

hendler wrote: post #146
jonesb6 wrote: post #32

The reason I love Go is that every time I pull it out, I write a small amount of it and it runs beautifully. For example my company has a critical micro-service implemented in ~300 lines of Go, it's been running for six months now without a single hiccup, highly performant, very sexy. The reason I will almost never use Go for web apps is because interaction with databases is limited (almost entirely) to raw queries.…

Have you tried https://github.com/jinzhu/gorm ?

I've had nothing but great experiences with gorm.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by pjmlp »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #43
meddlepal wrote: post #8

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Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.

I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

>I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code.

All commercial JVMs support AOT compilation to native code.

Yes even some of the Oracle ones, e.g. Java Embedded.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by pjmlp »

johan_larson wrote: post #70
autoreleasepool wrote: post #43

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I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

For my money, Java is a pretty good language; there are only a couple of things that I think were real mistakes in the core language. And the JVM certainly performs. But the ecosystem around Java is very complex and hard to manage. Dealing with JVM configuration, webserver configuration, build system configuration, IDE configuration and God knows what else takes up all kinds of brain-space. And every so often the com…

Just wait when Go EE becomes a thing.

Then you will get testing frameworks, libraries each with its own generics workaround and cool interface spaghetti that looks beautiful in UML diagrams at the scrum wall room.

People don't really get that before Java there was C EE and C++ EE, all with similar sins.

One can change the language of the enterprise, but not what those architects do with them.

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