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Re: CIA declassifies hundreds of UFO documents

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Post by run4yourlives2 »

stvswn wrote: post #46
sanoli wrote: post #41

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There's probably a lot of this going. Comes to mind right now the way the Navy had about two seal teams in the beginning, and then decided to name the next one 'Team 6', to make it look like they had more. I've read about other examples, but can't remember right now.

"Delta Force" is not what it's called, either. The Army cycles through bureaucratic sounding names -- "Combat Applications Group" for example -- in order to keep it confusing. "Delta" comes from one of these names -- "Operational Detachment: Delta." This sounds like an unimportant support team for a Special Forces group. "OD: Alpha" is the main team of green berets (aka, "ODA" or "the A-Team"). They are supported by…

They are currently called "1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta". They haven't changed their name in years (or ever, really).

What you are likely confusing is "Seal Team 6", which is now properly listed as "United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group" or DEVGRU.

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Post by SocksCanClose »

bill343 wrote: post #196
antidamage wrote: post #62

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I doubt the CIA were gaming Google in the 60s. It's also beyond ridiculous to think that a superpower like the USSR couldn't completely evaluate any material that came their way. The fake aircraft seems more reasonable though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#Development > The first two Ka-50 prototypes had false windows painted on them.[19] The "windows" evidently worked, as the first western reports of the…

》It's also beyond ridiculous to think that a superpower like the USSR couldn't completely evaluate any material that came their way. The USSR was not much of a superpower in the technology side. They got ALL of their technology from western corporations in technology transfers and sales from 1917 to today. They constantly got "last years model" of weapons and tech. This is documented in a three volume scholarly work…

TLDR 10/10 would make this assessment again. USSR Tech:US/British Tech::Bizzaro:Superman. Like them or not, but it is actually quite hard to copy-paste Raytheon, General Dynamics, BAE Systems et al into a system that uses force as its key mechanism of control.

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Post by itslennysfault »

jimrandomh wrote: post #22

I'm surprised they're continuing the misdirection so many years later. "Unidentified flying object" means an aircraft, usually a military one (because civilian aircraft are easier to identify). A UFO over US soil would usually be a USAF plane, but the CIA ran (runs?) a reporting hotline because they might occasionally be foreign spy planes instead. But of course, the Soviets were very interested (or the US believed t…

Here ya go: http://jalopnik.com/5804400/area-51-secrets-the-us-military-...

It was the second match when I used the search query: area 51 cold spots russia satellite -alien

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Post by trentnelson »

coldpie wrote: post #174
sanoli wrote: post #87

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Not the same thing but similar, a programmer wrote once how he made his software delay the answer to some user action to make it look like the program was hard at work. The process was actually very fast, almost instantaneous, so he added some message like " working - x seconds left ". Maybe it was on HN some years ago...

TurboTax's online tax prep software does this. You can just click the Next button as the slider animations slowly fill up. Maybe this comment will save someone else some time this year :)

Having sporadically just done my taxes last night, I've gotta' say, I'm a fan of TurboTax. Probably the best website experience I've ever had. I can't recall anything else that knocks it out of the park on aesthetics, function, latency, UI etc like it does.

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Post by cyphar »

jimrandomh wrote: post #22

I'm surprised they're continuing the misdirection so many years later. "Unidentified flying object" means an aircraft, usually a military one (because civilian aircraft are easier to identify). A UFO over US soil would usually be a USAF plane, but the CIA ran (runs?) a reporting hotline because they might occasionally be foreign spy planes instead. But of course, the Soviets were very interested (or the US believed t…

> I'm surprised they're continuing the misdirection so many years later. "Unidentified flying object" means an aircraft, usually a military one (because civilian aircraft are easier to identify).

While this is true, it isn't incorrect to call them "unidentified flying objects". All top-secret aircraft projects are by definition unidentified flying objects. It's up to the crackpot bullshit artists to interpret "unidentified" as "confirmed alien".

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Post by Houshalter »

VLM wrote: post #177
Houshalter wrote: post #162

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That's just anthropic bias/survivor bias. There have probably been a lot of Earth like planets that have been annihilated. Perhaps the only reason we exist is because we are lucky enough to have friendly neighbors, or perhaps no neighbors. Well I do wonder how friendly they are, given that they haven't intervened at all in Earth's history. I find that very unlikely. Moral aliens would probably want to help us, amoral…

Given a pride of lions in Africa having severe domestic turmoil over leadership selection issues, what are the odds anyone in, for example, Wisconsin, either knows, cares, and is capable of sending an effective peacekeeping force? You can even abstract out distance. I'm pretty sure there's some hierarchical struggle going on with the squirrels in my front yard, but I'm also pretty sure I don't care. And we're fellow…

I think humans do care about wildlife. We don't care a lot, but we do care a little. Some people try to protect wild animals, feed them, rescue sick or injured ones, etc.

I think if we had super advanced technology and AI, we would do more. And certainly if we found other intelligent beings that were like us. We would probably do what we could to share technology with them. Or at least medicine and food.

I do doubt aliens would want resources. They might want our solar system to colonize with their own kind though. If they have population growth, then that is a serious issue. Or to build dyson spheres and computers out of our solar system. Or they might want to eliminate us because we could grow into a threat in the future. Etc.

There is little reason to not interact with us unless they are totally indifferent to the outside world.

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Post by _nedR »

ishi wrote: post #123
kamaal wrote: post #55

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>>Like carrots. Poor thing. As a kid I told my cousin(he wore glasses), that carrots were good for the eyes, to a point I exaggerated if he ate enough he could get rid of them altogether at some point. He would eat kgs of carrots.

My mom thought so too. At some point she took me to the doctor and asked him why I had orange feet. He told her to stop feeding me so much carrot.

You can get orange feet from eating too many carrots?

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Post by kls »

golergka wrote: post #210
kls wrote: post #163

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While I agree intel and physics are apples to oranges, the soviets had a pretty good intelligence arm and quite capable analytics. The soviets where very good at Human Intelligence: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150928/1027670037/kgb-cia-...

Yeah, nothing tells true stories about KGB like the face of modern Russian propaganda machine.

The facts are easily verifiable read about Yuri Totrov. It is well documented by both sides.

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Post by VLM »

stephenhuey wrote: post #182
VLM wrote: post #177

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Given a pride of lions in Africa having severe domestic turmoil over leadership selection issues, what are the odds anyone in, for example, Wisconsin, either knows, cares, and is capable of sending an effective peacekeeping force? You can even abstract out distance. I'm pretty sure there's some hierarchical struggle going on with the squirrels in my front yard, but I'm also pretty sure I don't care. And we're fellow…

While I agree with some of your points, I must take issue with your implication that white people ran Africa better. http://diglib1.amnh.org/articles/kls/ Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain did a good job illuminating how people tended to think this way, all the while forgetting that the people under a heavy thumb might not agree! Some things may have been better organized when white people were in power, but the German c…

Sounds like both of us rephrase the same priority list, or at least nothing either of us wrote breaks the priority list:

1st) Freedom or self determination or at least less control over their lives by people far away

2nd) Racism (people want their leaders the same color as they are)

A distant 3rd) Measurable statistical demographic numbers for quality of life, like disease rates, death rates, crime rates, economic activity, education levels, etc.

I would propose this priority list is human, cross cultural, doesn't matter if its Rhodesia, Haiti, India, Korea, people naturally seem to come up with this sort order no matter the culture.

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Post by qb45 »

acqq wrote: post #34
josh2600 wrote: post #18

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RE: Abductions, it's entirely possible that those stories could be, instead, related to MK Ultra [0] rather than Air force testing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Anybody who hasn't, do read to see how much they were ready to do. Abductions or just "anal probes" are nothing compared to their actions. Note the use of different drugs and the brain washing experiments after which some innocent people never recovered. E.g. "In Operation Midnight Climax, the CIA set up several brothels in San Francisco, California to obtain a selection of men who would be too embarrassed to talk ab…

> Anybody who hasn't, do read to see how much they were ready to do. Abductions or just "anal probes" are nothing compared to their actions.

I remember reading declassified documents from MKUltra in Acid Dreams. It was pure fear and paranoia, they were scared that if they don't quickly learn how to use LSD as truth serum or mind control agent, the evil Ruskies are going to figure it out and strike first.

They even had ideas like adding psychotropics to water supplies to alter minds of civilian population, either local or enemy, depending on the exact substance used and expected effects.

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