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Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by rebootthesystem »

DanBC wrote: post #113
rebootthesystem wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested to see what you would think of this, your statement, if you were holding the dismembered body of your father, mother, sib,ing or loved one in your arms. Dead. Our free societies do not no Eed to change. Theirs do. And the solution is very simple. The problem is nobody has the balls and determination to do it. There's a fundamental incompatibiliti between ideologies and behavior. Being poor, uned…

> No, there's only one ideology on the planet with a radicalized extreme minority that supports and promotes this kind of behavior. The Buddhists? They have at least one army and two terrorist groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/969_Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Karen_Buddhist_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodu_Bala_Sena Or perhaps the Sikhs? There are still some active Sikh terrorist groups.…

Oh, please. Airports have turned to shit because of the groups you quoted. Right? And the beheadings, that's those crazy Buddhists right? No, it's the NRA guys with their ridiculous guns. Yeah, it's them. Dammit.

Please. Let's get real. We know the elephant in the room. It's not "Mother Theresa Gone Wild".

You and everyone else fully understand the problem. Let's stop pretending it's something else.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by rebootthesystem »

gnaritas wrote: post #117
rebootthesystem wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested to see what you would think of this, your statement, if you were holding the dismembered body of your father, mother, sib,ing or loved one in your arms. Dead. Our free societies do not no Eed to change. Theirs do. And the solution is very simple. The problem is nobody has the balls and determination to do it. There's a fundamental incompatibiliti between ideologies and behavior. Being poor, uned…

> We don't have to change. The delusional stone age brutal inhuman apes pushing around nonsense have to. The world needs to unite against them, not respect their bullshit religion and ideology. That it is itself a brutal stone age tribal point of view, you have become what you claim to despise.

That is too funny for laughs in the context of this tragedy. You are actually defending a group of people who would be happy to detonate a nuclear weapon in your city if they could, today.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by dang »

programmernews3 wrote: post #152
rimantas wrote: post #144

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The largest number of Muslimm people in the Middle Eeast every week are killed by other muslim people in the Middle Eeast.

Is there any place with a significant Mulsim population that is peaceful.....?

The many ideological rants you've posted to HN are an abuse of this site. Please don't post any more of them.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by dang »

programmernews3 wrote: post #146

Multiculturalism has failed. One of the gunmen (or should I say gun-people for the feminists) landed in Greece as a "refugee". https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/665558503528882176

Please stop posting ideological boilerplate to HN. That's the antithesis of what this site is for: it doesn't gratify intellectual curiosity, it merely inflames pre-existing opinions and riles everybody up. You've posted dozens of comments in the genre, and it's time to stop.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10565736 and marked it off-topic.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by TeMPOraL »

zo1 wrote: post #200
shkkmo wrote: post #145

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They provide a completely useful scale when you are taking about society accepting a certain level of risk as the cost of having some value. As a society, we have decided that the deaths caused by cars are worth the mobility and convenience they provide. I personally think freedom and equality are worth at least as much as cars.

As a person part of this society you speak of, I disagree. Every life is sacred, and even as a full-on anarcho-capitalist I will agree that a ridiculous police-state is justified to defend the individuals within our society. I say that because that is the path we have chosen, by virtue of having a state. Otherwise, we're essentially rehashing the old "the good of the many outweighs the needs of the few".

> Otherwise, we're essentially rehashing the old "the good of the many outweighs the needs of the few".

As we should be, because it's the only reasonable and self-consistent moral philosophy you can have! Of course, in real life you need to plug in some numbers and do some math - it's not a binary problem.

If you really believe every life is sacred and "a ridiculous police-state is justified to defend the individuals within our society", then why haven't we banned cars yet? And jailed all the drivers? As a group, they kill people. They kill a lot more than any terrorist attack ever.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rebootthesystem wrote: post #211
DanBC wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, there's only one ideology on the planet with a radicalized extreme minority that supports and promotes this kind of behavior. The Buddhists? They have at least one army and two terrorist groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/969_Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Karen_Buddhist_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodu_Bala_Sena Or perhaps the Sikhs? There are still some active Sikh terrorist groups.…

Oh, please. Airports have turned to shit because of the groups you quoted. Right? And the beheadings, that's those crazy Buddhists right? No, it's the NRA guys with their ridiculous guns. Yeah, it's them. Dammit. Please. Let's get real. We know the elephant in the room. It's not "Mother Theresa Gone Wild". You and everyone else fully understand the problem. Let's stop pretending it's something else.

Airports turned to shit because of a particular group of people - namely, politicians of the United States of America. This is an example of totally uncalled for overreaction that by itself probably did more economic damage than all the terrorist attacks in the US combined.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rebootthesystem wrote: post #212
gnaritas wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't have to change. The delusional stone age brutal inhuman apes pushing around nonsense have to. The world needs to unite against them, not respect their bullshit religion and ideology. That it is itself a brutal stone age tribal point of view, you have become what you claim to despise.

That is too funny for laughs in the context of this tragedy. You are actually defending a group of people who would be happy to detonate a nuclear weapon in your city if they could, today.

'gnaritas not defending them but points out that the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you that makes terrorist radicals a problem. If we accept this attitude, it'll mean that we have already destroyed ourselves and terrorists have won.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by jakobegger »

vixen99 wrote: post #155
jakobegger wrote: post #56

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Surveillance is not going to fix the issue. If we want to have fewer terrorist attacks, we have to prevent radicalisation by fixing the social issues that cause it. If we continue to do nothing, the problems will get worse, and surveillance will be futile. Fixing social issues is not easy. Masses of youths without education or perspective, racism, increasing segregation between the middle and lower classes can't be f…

I'm just wondering where the radical Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, Jewish, Baha'ist Shinto, and Atheist terrorists have got to? Don't they have social issues as well? Or are the media hiding their activities? The minimum wage disproportionately affects low-income minority populations. So if that's your goal, go for it! Employers understandably cream off the top (as they see it) applicants and the rest can go spen…

We have plenty of radical christians. We just don't call them "radical christians", we call them "far right extremists". The media aren't hiding their activities. You might recall Anders Breivik or the "Döner" murders, but there are also regular smaller scale right wing terrorist attacks (eg someone setting fire to a refugee home a while back in Styria, Austria). We don't perceive this threat as dangerous, since the attacks are probably unconnected acts of individuals, and for some reason we don't see right wing networks spreading facist propaganda quite as threatening as islamic hate propaganda.

Also, my comment concerning wage was not about raising minimum wages as much as ensuring that people are actually paid minimum wages. Most of the unemployed people I know aren't actually unemployed; they just have very irregular jobs (no contract, no insurance, irregular hours, etc)

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by bayesianhorse »

codedokode wrote: post #166
bayesianhorse wrote: post #151

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Not stopping genocide is morally questionable too. And that's what Assad and IS have been doing.

So did western invasion into Iraq stop genocide and make things better there? It just made everything more complicated.

Nobody ever said that the invasion of Iraq was to stop a genocide. In my opinion it was mainly revenge for 9/11, even if the association of Saddam Hussein with terrorism is murky at best.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Post by hokkos »

vlehto wrote: post #195
hokkos wrote: post #187

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Because it is better to let your own terrorist grow the biggest terrorist owned zone, and build an enormous army full of cash ? This is exactly what create this big projection power that make successful terrorist attack in France.

I didn't quite understand. Who is growing biggest terrorist zone? What what army, what cash?

There is 6000 europeans terrorists in Syria; 1000-2000 french, letting them settle there give them fantastical capabilities to recruit more, and project more power on european countries with trained terrorists.
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