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The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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This article seems a bit unreasonable. AppleCare not being automatically associated with a device when it isn't purchased from an Apple store is pretty clearly marked on both the AppleCare box, and every third party dealer I've bought from has either pointed this out or offered to register it for me on the spot. Later in the article he mentions that the Apple tech said they could resolve this issue, so it was really…

I've had my current MacBook Air since February 2014 (so ~1.7yrs) and its cycle count is a mere 75. Granted, most of the time I'm using it with AC connected.

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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As EC1 said they're reliable. Once you setup a Mac it tends to run and run and run. I feel like I used to have to do a fair bit of fiddling with my Windows machines, but that was over a decade ago so it may no longer be the case. Linux was definitely fiddly. The hardware is very well designed, well put together, feels like a premium piece of equipment. PC laptops used to (and cheap ones still do) feel like junk. Appl…

On the hardware side the race-to-the-bottom with prices really made it much harder to find good computers that weren't built like toys. That's a consumer-oriented view. Dell, HP and Lenovo continued to supply solid business laptops and portable workstations. Some were even ultraportable, including the ThinkPad X series and Toshiba Porteges. Not sure why you think "the PC guys didn't target that market very hard" sinc…

When I still used PCs I bought/used business PCs (and laptops). While they were better than pure consumer models, they still had a lot of the same issues and design decisions.

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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> I wonder if there wasn't something more wrong with his laptop caused by letting a worn-out battery sit in there too long. I wonder why batteries aren't easily replaceable on both laptops and phones? You know, it wasn't always so. I remember when you could literally slide the battery out of a laptop and slide a new one in. And don't give me this thin bullshit. I have a Samsung Series 9 and it is thinner than the Mac…

FWIW, the battery on the Air also isn't glued, changing it is also a 15 min job, and it's also available for cheap online. But you do need the special screwdrivers for the bottom panel. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Mid+2013+Ba...

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Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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I'd rather see a hard crash and know for sure that the battery is too empty to perform work. Stupid battery warning meters are a lie, and a waste of valuable power. If you have enough power to show me that you don't have power, I know your battery meter is full of shit. It means the board can still operate, and is probably performing a small subset of tasks without my awareness, in a low power mode. Maybe the acceler…

Stupid battery warning meters are a lie, and a waste of valuable power. No, they're not. Knowing the charge of a battery accurately is essential to managing the performance of a lithium battery; they're pretty sensitive to this stuff. If you have enough power to show me that you don't have power, I know your battery meter is full of shit. It means the board can still operate, and is probably performing a small subset…

  Again, this is down to the sensitivity of lithium 
  batteries. If the charge of the battery falls below 
  the minimum safe level, the device will charge it 
  before allowing you to take power. There are a couple 
  of reasons – it's important to make sure the battery 
  doesn't fall into deep discharge, and to ensure that 
  device power isn't immediately cut off (=hard crash) 
  if the user subsequently disconnects the power before 
  the device charges to acceptable levels.
No. It comes down to mediocre design, and unfortunate misconceptions, and tunnel vision about what's worth designing for and what isn't.

1. If the main board is receiving power, it can use some of that power.

2. The user can pull the plug, and and cut power to the main board, and guess what, the main board can simply stop working without trying to consume power from a battery without enough power to operate safely.

3. The operating system can employ an architecture that tolerates hard faults, in the middle of code execution, and address them upon the next successful reboot. Yeah, that's expensive to develop, and yeah, Apple computers are expensive.

4. With each of these preceding points in place Deep Discharge of lithium batteries is irrelevant, because the main board is in control of whether or not the battery is even called into action at all. With AC power, no power needs to be sourced from the battery. Anxieties about a bricked device are circumvented with a durably designed OS. The end.

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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I'm curious what other people's perspectives are on the (what appears to me anyway) dominance of Macbooks among developers these days. Is it the convenience of a Unix-y machine with decent drivers, or something else?

I got some good natured ribbing from friends for being the last Rails developer on Windows Vista, which Bingo Card Creator was built on. Went to Windows 7 with a VM for doing work on Ubuntu. Eventually switched to Mac last year. My reasons: + The iPad was my gateway drug to the iPhone. The iPhone was my gateway drug to the Apple ecosystem. All of the "relearn an OS" cruft I was expecting to hit was greatly, greatly s…

> Might not be relevant to everyone, but highly relevant to me personally: my main development machine also has to play video games.

This was big for me. I actually could run almost everything I wanted on Linux too, but it wouldn't, well, work. It did on OS X, and as a bonus, OS X has wider support.

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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This article seems a bit unreasonable. AppleCare not being automatically associated with a device when it isn't purchased from an Apple store is pretty clearly marked on both the AppleCare box, and every third party dealer I've bought from has either pointed this out or offered to register it for me on the spot. Later in the article he mentions that the Apple tech said they could resolve this issue, so it was really…

I could be wrong but I don't think "cycles" implies complete charge and discharge every time. If I alternated between desk work and meetings all day long, I think the laptop would record several cycles as I went on and off of wall power.

A cycle is a full charge and discharge. If you use 50% of the battery and charge it twice, that counts as one full cycle.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201585

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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On the hardware side the race-to-the-bottom with prices really made it much harder to find good computers that weren't built like toys. That's a consumer-oriented view. Dell, HP and Lenovo continued to supply solid business laptops and portable workstations. Some were even ultraportable, including the ThinkPad X series and Toshiba Porteges. Not sure why you think "the PC guys didn't target that market very hard" sinc…

When I still used PCs I bought/used business PCs (and laptops). While they were better than pure consumer models, they still had a lot of the same issues and design decisions.

I'm tempted to ask "Such as?", but your experience is more than a decade out of date, so I'm not sure why anyone would care ;-)

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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I'm curious what other people's perspectives are on the (what appears to me anyway) dominance of Macbooks among developers these days. Is it the convenience of a Unix-y machine with decent drivers, or something else?

I got some good natured ribbing from friends for being the last Rails developer on Windows Vista, which Bingo Card Creator was built on. Went to Windows 7 with a VM for doing work on Ubuntu. Eventually switched to Mac last year. My reasons: + The iPad was my gateway drug to the iPhone. The iPhone was my gateway drug to the Apple ecosystem. All of the "relearn an OS" cruft I was expecting to hit was greatly, greatly s…

Welcome to the fold - though I don't particularly like that you explicitly and repeatedly cite social pressure as a factor of your switch. Teasing someone about their platform of choice strikes me as immature and ultimately irrelevant.

Having spent so much time on the Windows side of things, is there some aspect of that ecosystem that you find yourself missing even after the year or so you've been on a Mac?

Re: The Nightmare of Replacing a Battery on a Mac Laptop

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They've dedicated whole chunks of keynotes to talking about how the new batteries are integrated with the chassis. Obviously, most of their customers don't care, but then: you can say that about this story too! Most people just take their laptops back to the Apple Store when they want anything changed.

> Most people just take their laptops back to the Apple Store when they want anything changed. Yep, and this would still be true if the laptop was more serviceable. Most people don't change the oil on their car either even if it relatively easy. In fact most people don't even put air in the tires and instead rely on getting that done during quarterly oil changes!

If you could make a car more fuel-efficient, faster, or less polluting by making it difficult to change the oil yourself, that would be a valid tradeoff. Maybe you'd keep buying Volkswagens so you could enjoy the DIY, but it would be weird to try to make a consumers rights case out of the manufacturer who took the other side of that tradeoff!
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