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Post by p_eter_p »

r3bl wrote: post #107
pilif wrote: post #78

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> I feel bad for anyone learning this language. clearly you have never tried out German :-) As a German native speaker who generally has a lot of difficulty learning languages, I can assure you that English was a lot more feasible for me compared to anything else I tried. (Of course you'll find an error in this comment - that is bound to happen in any comment talking about language mistakes)

In my experience, German was a piece of cake. Sure, it's a bit difficult at first, but pronunciation is easy once you figure it out and the grammar is not that hard. Dutch, on the other hand... :) I've been trying for five or six months now to pronounce 'Groningen' right, but I never succeeded. If there's one 'g' in a word, I can pronounce it. If there are two letters 'g' in one word, it's practically impossible for…

"Scheveningen" is the one that stopped me in my tracks.

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Post by mikeash »

andrewfong wrote: post #169
TimJRobinson wrote: post #134

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As someone who was born in Australia and now lives in Amsterdam I feel like he's the most sane politician in America. I still don't understand why Americans are so insistent on keeping their "Bad for the people, good for business" policies. If you're in the 1% sure that makes sense, but for everyone else life is so much nicer with free healthcare, good vacation time, maternity leave, good public transport, proper pri…

Thomas Frank took a stab at this question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansa... Worth a read. From my perspective, there's no one answer, but I've noticed a handful of things: * Race - Most democratic socialist countries tend to have more homogeneous populations. The U.S. has sizable African-American and Latino-American minorities, often segregated into their own neighborhoods, and that oft…

Regarding your last point, if proper health care reform brought us in line with other first-world countries, it would dramatically reduce health care spending, freeing up even more money for blowing up brown people if that's what we wanted to do with the savings.

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Post by eevilspock »

marktd wrote: post #75
jerf wrote: post #22

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At this phase in the run, the punditariat is greatly, greatly more confident than the facts justify. I don't mean that specific to this year... I mean generically at this phase of the campaign. If the punditariat was correct at this phase, Hillary Clinton would not currently be able to run, because she'd be finishing out her second term, having defeated Rudy Guiliani in the 2008 campaign by a small but significant ma…

In 2000, both Gore and Bush were always the frontrunners, and then they both won the primaries in landslides. I believe they both won every state, except Bush lost New Hampshire to McCain. Also in 2008, you're exaggerating the extent to which the punditry favored Giuliani; he was a frontrunner, but not at all considered a shoo-in the way Hillary is. The problem with Bernie is that he has very limited appeal outside o…

Cornel West, a highly respected person in the black community, just endorsed Sanders[1]. What's interesting, and not surprising if you know West, is that he's support of Sanders is much stronger than his support of Obama 8 years ago.

I think it will be far easier for black voters to get behind Sanders than behind Clinton. I'll suggest the same is true for Hispanic voters.

Since blacks aren't going to get behind any of the GOP candidates, the question is more about whether they will sit out this election.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/25/berni...

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Post by Roodgorf »

gjm11 wrote: post #186
malkia wrote: post #158

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A lot of my bulgarian friends, and others, living here in America are thinking that taxes, free schools, even police, firefighting, etc. are just things that should go away. Essentially you have to pay, and be a "share-holder" in everything. You should be on top of things everywhere, etc. etc. And someone recently posted this on his fb page: "If a businessman makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences. If a bureauc…

> "If a businessman makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences. If a bureaucrat makes a mistake, you suffer the consequences." - Ayn Rand. There is some truth in this. It is the almost-exact flip side of this : If a businessman does something right, he reaps the gains. If a bureaucrat does something right, you reap the gains. ... which doesn't sound so bad, now does it? Neither is exactly correct. If the senior man…

On the whole I agree, but I also think that the business person's decisions/consequences case only works out if you are fairly optimistic and fully believe in the trickle down theory.

That is, anecdotally it seems if an exec makes a good decision, or even if someone at a lower level does, they will benefit substantially more than the rest of the employees. At the same time, if they make a company-endingly bad decision, employees may be out of a job while they will still probably make out okay (golden parachutes and the like).

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Post by tvanantwerp »

quotedmycode wrote: post #204

I've been following him since I took the 'isidewith' quiz. I hadn't even heard of him before, but he's 96% compatible with my stances. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone instead of voting for a certain candidate, voted on the issues, and the candidate who voted most like the population would win... and their votes would be made public.

I took the isidewith quiz and got something like 80% for Bernie Sanders.

Then I took the quiz, intentionally answering the opposite of everything I actually believe. Still about 80% for Bernie Sanders.

I'm at a loss.

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Post by delecti »

MrJagil wrote: post #198
mdemare wrote: post #144

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If Sanders is up against Cruz, and Trump is a 3rd party candidate, it's unclear who'd win.

Being a foreigner not quite knee-deep in the American election yet, I was actually fishing for more information on Cruz and Sanders and whether you're basing this on polls, their relationship, intuition, major (dis?)similarities in political programming or some such. Sorry if "unfold" wasn't used correctly.

I think the idea is that Trump would take enough of the conservative side of the vote that even if moderates tended to vote for Cruz (as Sanders is thought to scare moderates) it could be close between Sanders and Cruz.

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Post by rogerbinns »

TimJRobinson wrote: post #134
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

As someone who was born in Australia and now lives in Amsterdam I feel like he's the most sane politician in America. I still don't understand why Americans are so insistent on keeping their "Bad for the people, good for business" policies. If you're in the 1% sure that makes sense, but for everyone else life is so much nicer with free healthcare, good vacation time, maternity leave, good public transport, proper pri…

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” ― John Steinbeck

Also remember you are seeing a media/attention filter on everything. Nobody reports or passes on the mundane things. Instead controversies have to be found that outrage some people, all the better to get eyeballs on the TV/site and go viral on Facebook.

I do recommend following Scott Adams' blog (creator of Dilbert). He has an mba, is a trained hypnotist, and various other skills unrelated to comics. He has been writing about the various techniques Donald Trump is using, and why they are so successful. (Note not endorsing Trump, but rather observing.) http://blog.dilbert.com/

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #127
Someone1234 wrote: post #105

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Sanders and Trump are doing well for similar reasons, they've both rejected the corruption which has become so commonplace in American politics. Trump is famously self-funded, and Sanders has a great grassroots campaign which has help keep him afloat. Neither has yet really resorted to corporate bribes. That's why you're seeing them do so well with their own respective bases. While it is undeniable that the general p…

Trump has no extreme positions that I've heard. Totally mainstream populist. People are downvoting me, but if you don't realize that any policy comments Trump has put forth poll great you are just out of touch. You would be by definition "extreme."

To me the remarkable thing is how well Trump is doing even after the media (on both sides) have tried to extremize his views. The contrast between what Trump actually says and how the media frames it is appalling.

But, by and large you're right. His policies are fairly mainstream and even the ones that sounds extreme (immigration being the main one) are commonly held by a large part of the population.

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Post by mikeash »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #187
rmxt wrote: post #173

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Right, because calling Mexican immigrants to the United States "criminals, drug dealers, rapists" is a completely reasonable position. I'm sure that many of the 100+ million people in the United States that are non-white would definitely agree with that. http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-epic-statement-...

A lot of them do. And the white majority doesn't find the discussion around that point unreasonable. Like I said, you're just out of touch.

What's your basis for that statement?

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Post by rmxt »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #187
rmxt wrote: post #173

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Right, because calling Mexican immigrants to the United States "criminals, drug dealers, rapists" is a completely reasonable position. I'm sure that many of the 100+ million people in the United States that are non-white would definitely agree with that. http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-epic-statement-...

A lot of them do. And the white majority doesn't find the discussion around that point unreasonable. Like I said, you're just out of touch.

Being "out of touch" with "the white majority" (or anyone for that matter) is fine by me, if it means being able to have nuanced and rational opinions. (Unlike Trump's broad brush statements.) Furthermore, your argumentum ad populum doesn't make Trump's statement any more just or accurate.
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