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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by DannyBee »

Karunamon wrote: post #172
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The arm-chair morality here is mindblowing. Reminds me of when homosexuals developed aids in the 80s; "Serves them right." I think people need to really stop it with the revenge fantasies for behaviors they dislike. If anything, AM reflects something that might change in society, namely if life-long monogamy makes sense. Many would argue that of course it does, but not too long ago these were the same people calling…

If anything, AM reflects something that might change in society, namely if life-long monogamy makes sense. The time for that discussion is long before one decides of their own free will to take part in life-long monogamy. Once you've made that promise, and then renege on it (a harmful act in of itself), there is a second person in that equation who is being harmed. Are innocent people likely to be harmed by this? Of…

" But AM's entire reason for existing is perpetuation of marital infidelity"

Not that you are completely wrong, but just to note, AM also exists for people who are married but separated or getting divorced :)

Most, if not all states in the US have waiting periods of 6 months to 2 years once you file for divorce before you can be legally divorced (even if you are already divorced according to your religion or whatever). Adultery is not really a crime anymore (most criminal adultery statues are now unconstitutional), but this would be considered adultery (whether you did it on AM or elsewhere)

Certainly not their main use case, but there is a "morally blameless" portion of their user base.

(My ex was a family lawyer, and AM seemed to get used as a discreet place for those getting divorced to do things without it getting noticed by the other side)

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by jpredham »

Also worth noting is the continuing evolution of the motivations behind hacks. The impact team made a seemingly moral (subjectively, not objectively moral, of course) when they could have likely blackmailed these users for money or influence.

It's interesting to try to guess how these factions, each occupying some point on the political/idealogical grid, are going to look like in 10 years. My guess would be that we begin to see more competition between them as well as an increase in internal organizational structure.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by NullCharacter »

acqq wrote: post #151
NullCharacter wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is full name, address, credit card information, and private pictures and messages considered "just metadata"? Nothing about that is metadata.

Imagine private pictures and messages not published. Then, full name, address and credit card information are actually "just" metadata, by the definition we've often heard from the officials. And publishing that is more than enough for those involved to really worry, that's the idea behind the message. Moreover, the article states "the company didn’t provide information on how much data might have been compromised."…

I might be able to bite on full name/address (considering it's what you'd see on an envelope) but the context is important. The fact that Person A sent a letter to Person B on this can be considered "just" metadata. But certainly CC information couldn't be classified as such, and again, context is important.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by Fogest »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #190
Fogest wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about people who are single and using the site? People can easily lie to their significant other and cheat on them, people can also just as easily join the site without actually cheating on anyone. Also what about the people who are in a relationship and they enjoy finding other people to perform sexual acts with? They may be on the site looking for someone else but not necessarily to cheat. There are still inno…

If you're single, why would you go there instead of a regular dating site.

There are many reasons, one of them being like what the other commenter mentioned, the likelihood of sex, but another one may have to do with sexual fantasies as well? Maybe they like the other person believing they are a cheater?

You can't assume that the target audience of this site is the ONLY audience simply because they advertise to "cheaters".

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by acqq »

NullCharacter wrote: post #203
acqq wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine private pictures and messages not published. Then, full name, address and credit card information are actually "just" metadata, by the definition we've often heard from the officials. And publishing that is more than enough for those involved to really worry, that's the idea behind the message. Moreover, the article states "the company didn’t provide information on how much data might have been compromised."…

I might be able to bite on full name/address (considering it's what you'd see on an envelope) but the context is important. The fact that Person A sent a letter to Person B on this can be considered "just" metadata. But certainly CC information couldn't be classified as such, and again, context is important.

The context is what the message is all about. Just the presence of the names on the given site is enough. And can you please quote how you know that the private messages and pictures are to be published too?

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by KingMob »

unchocked wrote: post #184
aetherson wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people who use the site may be "innocent" (because they didn't actually do anything, or because they're in an open marriage or whatever). And even people who are to one degree or other "guilty" are not as a class to be declared guilty and given all the same punishment. That said, while I can't necessarily judge any given user of the site, I'm pretty confident that the people running the site are contributing…

I don't see how enabling affairs contributes to the net misery of the world. A civilized society ought to move away from your sort of moralizing judgement about relations between consenting adults, or those who facilitate them. Adults are free to fuck: they are happier for doing it.

But people in open relationships have no need to use a site based on cheating. They just use OkCupid, which is fairly poly-friendly.

Despite what you said, Ashley Madison doesn't facilitate relations between "consenting" adults, because in an affair, 1 or 2 people didn't consent: the spouses being cheated on.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by NullCharacter »

acqq wrote: post #205
NullCharacter wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be able to bite on full name/address (considering it's what you'd see on an envelope) but the context is important. The fact that Person A sent a letter to Person B on this can be considered "just" metadata. But certainly CC information couldn't be classified as such, and again, context is important.

The context is what the message is all about. Just the presence of the names on the given site is enough. And can you please quote how you know that the private messages and pictures are to be published too?

I agree with you. The presence of the names on the site transcends "metadata" at that point.

As for your request, straight from the horses mouth (the hackers): "We will release.... all the customers' secret sexual fantasies, nude pictures, and conversations..."

Source via Krebs: http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/impact...

Is that sufficient?

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by robgibbons »

jdalgetty wrote: post #141

It get's me that so many people are basically saying it serves these people right for using the service. I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooki…

I feel the exact opposite. Moral justice is on the side of the hackers. This website, and all the others like it, only exist to profit while helping people destroy their own lives, in addition their loved ones' lives.

Zero sympathy. I have zero sympathy for both this site and for the users whose information was stolen. You all deserve it, for being selfish, amoral animals.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by lectrick »

aetherson wrote: post #174
jdalgetty wrote: post #141

It get's me that so many people are basically saying it serves these people right for using the service. I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. Secondly, I'd wager that many of the users sign up to use Ashley Madison for the thrill of the idea and probably aren't actually cheaters themselves or hooki…

Lots of people who use the site may be "innocent" (because they didn't actually do anything, or because they're in an open marriage or whatever). And even people who are to one degree or other "guilty" are not as a class to be declared guilty and given all the same punishment. That said, while I can't necessarily judge any given user of the site, I'm pretty confident that the people running the site are contributing…

> I'm pretty confident that the people running the site are contributing to net misery in the world.

To be perfectly, bluntly clear- There isn't actually any suffering (and in some cases, still almost none) until the secret gets out.

By that definition (which to me is entirely obvious, but clearly not to others), OUTING all of these people is what will cause tremendous suffering.

I don't agree with these blanket "everyone who does this is bad" statements. (I think there's a lot of people who have been cheated on out there and their latent scorn always comes out in these things. Rationality goes out the window when personal feelings are involved.) It's awfully judgmental and sandblasts out all the fine details. What of the man who wants to stay married to his invalid wife but still needs to "get off" at times, and neither wants to break her heart nor can he longer function rationally without? What of the good husband and father who is hiding his bi-ness and therefore takes a man now and then on the side? (What of the woman in the same position?) What of the member of the church demanding absolute celibacy who has invested his life into it but realizes he simply can't function without sexual human contact now and then?

Do you seriously expect the amount of upheaval that would result from "outing everyone" to be LESS pain overall than the current situation?

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