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Announcing the Surface 3

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Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by phaus »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #183
tjoff wrote: post #133

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8 GB is absolute bare minimum in 2015 (I'd say 2012 but the world seems to disagree). I'd be very hesitant buying something today that didn't have 16 GB. Unfortunately that is quite hard to come by in the ultrabook range. But 2 GB? And maximum 4 ? Just kills me inside. Way to ruin the device.

Minimum for doing what? My home workstation has 32GB and I can remote into that anytime I want from every device that I own, so I tend to lean on that.

Most people don't have 2 computers. Also, most people that do have two computers don't know how/don't want to know how to log into their desktop remotely.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

zghst wrote: post #200
imaginenore wrote: post #75

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For $500 I can get a real ultrabook. Like Dell XPS 11 2560 x 1440 display 4GB RAM 128GB SSD http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/665236/Dell-XPS-11-XPS...

LOL at using Windows on a high DPI screen. Windows 8 improved a lot, but using any Desktop apps (Photoshop, IE, Chrome, etc.) is horrible, everything is super tiny. They haven't really given much though to scaling yet, even in Windows 10 scaling is still being figured out.

This is so patently false I'm not sure if you aren't just trolling. I use windows 8 on a 150 DPI screen (28" 4k) on my work desktop and a 220 DPI screen on my laptop (rMBP). Both have no problems, and most commercial apps already support it (chrome, IE no problem, I've heard phtoshop is ok as well).

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by joshuapants »

seunosewa wrote: post #199
joshuapants wrote: post #176

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I believe the idea behind not including it is that you can choose the color of your keyboard without them having to anticipate demand for certain colors and package them together. I don't think that's a very good rationalization (just give them an option for keyboard color and ship a second box!), however.

Nobody needs colored keyboards. The keyboard color should just match the device it's made for.

I'm kind of dumbfounded by this. People like personalized goods, this is no different from picking a colored iPad case or wanting your car in some color other than Ford Black.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by IanDrake »

nabaraz wrote: post #156

Why the heck would they only have 2GB Ram? I know they are trying to achieve that sweet < $500 price range but they could have just externalize the RAM modules than just soldering directly to the motherboard.

Because paging with an ssd is pretty fast and these machines aren't meant for memory intensive apps anyway.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by zghst »

ykl wrote: post #2

Wow, at that price point and feature set, I think Microsoft finally has something that can plausibly be considered an iPad-killer.

The iPad is a lifestyle device, whereas the Surface is a productivity device. The iPad Air 2 is deathly thin and a bit lighter. It is also much much more simpler, has many more (interesting) applications tailored just iPad, where as using the Surface as a tablet is more iffy (ms's app store is filled with garbage and tons of rip offs and clones). When it comes to consumer purchases, play always wins over work. It's Microsoft's job to market this tablet to the masses, so the productivity angle is not very persuasive.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by _delirium »

Someone1234 wrote: post #87
wz1000 wrote: post #24

Does anybody have experience of running Linux on previous Surface devices?

I'm not saying don't do it. I am just suggesting that you may have a better user experience buying something more traditional like a Macbook Air. I suggest this for one simple reason: Many of the Surface's features are ultimately software/driver driven. For example, the keyboard, the pen (both halfs), even much of the touch interaction, and on screen keyboard. So unless you have really incredible driver support, the…

One possibility, if you really like the Surface hardware but want to run Linux, is to run Linux on a VM on the Surface Pro 3 (only the Pro, though, not this new Surface 3), which comes with a version of Windows that includes the Hyper-V hypervisor. That way you get the Windows drivers backing a Linux instance. From reports (haven't tried it myself) it works fairly well, with the one catch being that the Surface Pro's "connected standby" power management is disabled when Hyper-V is active, and it falls back to more traditional hibernate/wake power management.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Post by zghst »

Sealy wrote: post #94

Does anyone else see the glaring difference between how Microsoft markets its products VS how Apple markets their products? Microsoft: List 101 features. Tell everyone how amazing each new feature is. Remind everyone that there is a huge array of features. List them out again. Apple: Take a nice photo. Done.

Apple's release posts for products include technical language as well, I think Microsoft did a great job at this post, but for the most part the marketing of this device is garbage. Honestly, I really really admire Apple for showing the product as much as possible and the surroundings and human beings as little as possible. Apple's designers are forced to focus on making their device as sexy and elegant as possible, whereas it seems Microsoft's designers (for marketing) don't exist at all.

I cannot believe how terrible the Surface site looks, Microsoft needs its own in house designers. The "For Gaming" section hero image has a cheap blur, it looks like a 6th grader touched it up.

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