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Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by piyush_soni »

minitech wrote: post #115
piyush_soni wrote: post #114

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Oh you can easily figure out render performance differences in milliseconds with your eyes. Try that. For example, a difference of 300 milliseconds is noticeable by me. I don't know what are you 'attesting' there. I'm not a web-developer, but just 'a developer'. Also, what evidence you have that says Firefox can't be slow(even with all the add-ons it supports). In fact, those hundreds of bugs will be quite a sufficie…

When you say “I notice millisecond differences”, that means “one millisecond”. If you meant something more on the order of hundreds of milliseconds, you should probably clarify that.

Oh well, first, I was not the one who said that. Then, there are HIGH chances that the original comment meant 'milliseconds' differences and not one millisecond difference, which all of you didn't even try to consider.

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Post by piyush_soni »

mryan wrote: post #166
Agathos wrote: post #124

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I can survive on milliseconds of sleep every night. Preferably 27 to 28 million milliseconds, if you have to be so picky.

Exactly, that's the point minitech was making. Your statement is accurate. Saying you survive on a single millisecond of sleep each night would be clearly impossible - as is noticing single-millisecond differences in page rendering times. You might dismiss it as pedantry, but there is a clear linguistic difference between "I notice millisecond differences" and "I notice differences of 300ms".

That's one of those places where common sense should take over literal English. When someone says 'millisecond differences', there are high chances that they mean 'milliseconds differences', and not exactly ONE millisecond difference.

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Post by creshal »

mcwidget wrote: post #198
creshal wrote: post #186

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> Despite all the evidence to the contrary? It's fast in benchmarks… but it's either single-threaded or has horrible locking. One slow script somewhere will not just block the tab, but the entire browser. Good luck hunting it down with 40+ open tabs. (I really miss Opera 12, it's still the only browser to decouple the UI to its own thread so a long-running script doesn't lock up the page. Or the whole browser…)

As an Opera 12 fan, have you tried https://vivaldi.net ? You're the target audience.

Yet another Chromium reskin, with semi-mandatory "social" features? No, I don't think I'm the target audience.

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Post by MichaelGG »

rjbwork wrote: post #184
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #157

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Most online SaaS/Internet startups? Yes. Maybe some on Azure too. Every other type of business startup is going to use Windows because software. Call centers, restaurants, supermarkets, retail stores, real estate, financial, pharmaceutical, etc.

We are a SaaS startup using exclusively Azure. Minus the complete lack of a data warehousing/OLAP service, it's great!

Have you compared the cost of your compute/VMs to Google Compute Engine? When I did, Azure was literally double the cost. And it has useful SSD options which Azure doesn't yet have.

But Azure is a fairly cool product overall.

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Post by wantab »

madaxe_again wrote: post #195
wantab wrote: post #94

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>Firefox is too slow. Despite all the evidence to the contrary? >As a power user I notice millisecond differences in page render times. No you don't. As a web developer, I personally can attest that's not true.

You may not consciously notice, but you sure as shit do. I've got some lovely scatter plots sampled across billions of user sessions that show that average page load time in a session has a direct inverse correlation with conversion rate. Humans are impatient to the core.

Millisecond differences? No you don't.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by InclinedPlane »

njloof wrote: post #182
InclinedPlane wrote: post #160

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IE 4 was far and away the best browser in its day. Nothing else was as fast and as reliable. Netscape had devolved into a steaming pile of garbage which had horrible resource usage problems aside from being massively unstable. Other competing browsers weren't much better than netscape either. It wasn't until years later that things changed.

But Netscape ran cross-platform, without which the WWW would have devolved into a Windows-only niche product. And that would have meant the only tablets today would be running Windows.

I don't think that follows. Also, it's not as though Netscape didn't have it's moments either. There was a time where it was better, a time where IE was better, a time where firefox was better, a time where chrome was better, and so on. Time marches on.

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Post by wantab »

creshal wrote: post #203
mcwidget wrote: post #198

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As an Opera 12 fan, have you tried https://vivaldi.net ? You're the target audience.

Yet another Chromium reskin, with semi-mandatory "social" features? No, I don't think I'm the target audience.

Chrome and Chromium are not Blink. Blink is the rendering engine alone. Opera uses Blink.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by wantab »

reustle wrote: post #197
ryandvm wrote: post #154

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It certainly wasn't an act of altruism, but the entire modern web can trace it's AJAXy roots back to Microsoft's decision to eschew web standards. Microsoft added XMLHttpRequest to Internet Explorer so that they could develop Outlook Web Access. IE may have had utterly stank HTML compatibility, but adding XMLHttpRequest and inventing AJAX was probably the single most profound changeset in the history of the web.

"Inventing Ajax" does not excuse the behavior though. Plus, I'm sure someone else would have come up with a similar idea not long after.

Such as not supporting XHTML until IE9.

Re: Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand

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Post by wantab »

zvrba wrote: post #174
PopsiclePete wrote: post #56

With this new CEO, Microsoft is a different company. Cloud & Mobile all the way. .NET/CLR is open-source. First class support for Linux and OS X. Commitment to standards. At the risk of sounding like a complete lunatic, here's my prediction for the next 10 years: * Microsoft abandon traditional Windows development. * They take a FreeBSD/Linux distro and add a "Windows" layer on top, ala Apple. Unix and Unix-like OS's…

> They take a FreeBSD/Linux distro and add a "Windows" layer on top, ala Apple. No. NT is a far more advanced kernel than any of the free unixes. If anything, they'll make it the other way around; a decent "linux" subsystem which can seamlessly run ELF binaries. Like FreeBSD's linux binary support. Or like coLinux, but without the overhead of virtualizing another kernel.

No, NT is not far more advanced.

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Post by yuhong »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #189
yuhong wrote: post #168

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They still support Chrome on even XP SP2. What is frustrating is the users running XP SP2 (not even SP3) in Japan and France for example.

I stand corrected: http://chrome.blogspot.com/2013/10/extending-chrome-support-... Until next month, anyways :)

Probably until the end of the year at least.
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