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Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by olgeni »

mystixx wrote: post #130
mashermack wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain me how do you pretend to change something when your clients are paying 50% of what the clients in other countries are willing to pay (if they pay, 'cause lots really like to delay payments indefinitely), while your suppliers are constantly banging your door to pay (rightly) them, and while your government 5 days a week is trying everything possible to shut your business down? Be serious, go abroad for 3 month…

You won't find anyone who disagrees with you on this. This is not the point, however. Everyone in Italy is disappointed. But if you're going abroad, there are good chances that you're one of those who can make the difference. And if those who can make the difference go abroad, how do you pretend to change things here? Let me only say that this: if Italy is a sinking boat, people who leave the country, they don't have…

"Guts" for what? Did you notice that we stopped even having elections? Sorry, but I don't see why people should sacrifice themselves and their families just to keep this up.

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Post by DeusExMachina »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #199
DeusExMachina wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the real challenge is to stay here, not to run away abroad. Exactly. And that's why everybody is advising not to start a business there. Do you want extra challenges when you are doing something that is not easy already? Probably you think there is something "heroic" in it, but that's not the case for everybody. I am an iOS developer. I left a country where I had a job I didn't like (not in iOS, but on Micr…

50% taxes for people earning less than 15000€/year ? Yes is a challenge... to survive. I tried, I said "I'll stay here, I'll pay taxes, make money and resurrect this country", so they added +10% taxes, reduced the "low income reduction" from people earning 30 000/year (gross) to 15000/year (gross), increased the "retirement fund" costs from 24% to 29% (and will increase up to 33.7% in 3 years they said) so I ended up…

Indeed, I forgot that the first year you pay for the second year in advance, but is indeed true.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by frapposelli »

YAI (yet another italian), born and raised here, I've been through most of the 'typical' italian IT jobs in my career: IT support, Developer, Consultant, both as employee and self employed, I just want to echo everybody's comment to STAY AWAY from Italy for anything that is related to IT, the country simply don't care and your business venture will likely fail (fiscal pressure, corruption, toxic laws... you name it).

My advice is to rake up as many talented folks as possible (we have no shortage of them) and bring them somewhere else with a decent pay (something that is just impossible to get here).

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by pibi »

gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

What about the Dolce Vita?

Have you some serious FACT to show? Something you can COMPARE to French, Spain , Ireland or Germany?

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by pibi »

agos wrote: post #119
andretti1977 wrote: post #58

From a business point of view, STAY AWAY FROM ITALY. I'm an italian computer engineer and work as a freelance with VAT number since 5 years and i can say that there are no fiscal or burocratic simplifications and aids for startup. There is a reason why a lot of italians preferred to create a ltd based in the UK instead of a srl in italy. There is a reason why a lot of italian entreprenuers are moving to Switzerland.…

regarding the requirements, you read wrong: you need Ph.D.s OR patents OR to spend at least 15% in R&D. And the third option is really really easy to achieve.

Also, patents OR a deposit of a relevant source code to the author registry (SIAE). this is really easy to achieve at almost no cost at all.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by Antomanno »

gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

The problem is structural, is economical, is intellectual instead of "mafia" as i wrote in my post http://en.wescribe.co/t/the-italian-startup-program-startup-...

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by Antomanno »

mystixx wrote: post #109
gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

I'm from Italy as well. As everyone else, I am dissatisfied with how Italy is run, but it's _disgusting_ to see how many Italians living abroad claim the right to hurl mud at Italy. I think the real challenge is to stay here, not to run away abroad. As a proof, here we ended up talking of mafia and corruption, following common stereotypes and therefore giving a distorted idea of Italy. I think most of the people that…

Yes italy is the best place to live worlwide but the dire reality of its socio-economic situation to not talk of the ridiculous Startup Visa program is a fact, especially if compared with others similar program worlwide http://en.wescribe.co/t/the-italian-startup-program-startup-...

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by Antomanno »

davidw wrote: post #82

As an American living in Italy, here's my perspective: Italy is a wonderful place , but not a very well run country . Food, geography, history... it's fractally beautiful in that the big, amazing things are worth seeing, but you can also go to some small town and find something fascinating. It's just bursting with great places. The people are mostly a plus too, I have good friends here, and know a lot of smart hacker…

Great post ! Please check my post here http://en.wescribe.co/t/the-italian-startup-program-startup-...

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by Antomanno »

jnardiello wrote: post #38

# Sorry LONG comment and need to go to work, little to no time to read again and fix errors. Be kind. I'm yet another italian (expat to London) and let me state a few things which are not listed on that landing page but that you should consider before applying: I've worked for a few months in a "startup" inside a major italian incubator (Working Capital). I was developer #1 of the company, and here are a few things I…

Quite true man!
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