Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses • Hacker News Board

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by duaneb » Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 10:38 AM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

To North Korean culture, I'm not sure they see the humor in satirizing their leader who may as well fart rainbows for all they know. It's a slap in the face, regardless of who did it or with which intentions.

God knows this isn't the first time North Korea has been the butt of jokes, but it is the first time it was done so publicly, on such a large scale, directly out of hollywood, that the entire world then consumes. To not respond would appear weak, I think.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by ptosis » Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 1:07 PM UTC

cbd1984 wrote: post #180

duaneb wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it could be an actual false flag operation by the US to instigate something.... Something is very weird about their attitude towards north korea regarding this break in.

You know, it can't be a false flag until there's actually a flag. Has anyone claimed responsibility for doing this yet?

a film with a second-rate comedic actor about North Korea, which in the United States on its own being released normally, would draw precisely no one

the only proof it has on North Korea’s involvement in the hacking, is “that the FBI said so,” apart from claims by the “Sony Pictures’ PR department.”

Sony was domiciled in Japan, specifically in Minato, Tokyo, Japan. And so it’s a Japanese multi-national corporation not an American one. And one would think that some sort of an offence by a state actor or anyone else against the Japanese corporation would be a concern for the Japanese government, and not the United States government,”

The North Korean government insisted on Saturday that it was not behind the hacking and proposed a joint investigation with the US to prove it had no involvement in the cyber attacks

outraged by the film showing the assassination of leader Kim Jong Un - also claimed to have 'clear evidence' that the U.S. government engineered the project as a 'propaganda' attack against North Korea.

the North Korean government is also convinced that directors Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg were under direct instruction from U.S. officials, who told them to include extra scenes to 'insult the dignity' of North Korea

a group calling themselves the Guardians of Peace has claimed credit.

Guardians of Peace responded to the FBI with a message on Saturday, mocking their investigation and trolling them with a video that essentially called them idiots.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by ptosis » Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 1:27 PM UTC

AlyssaRowan wrote: post #189

patronagezero wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're over-complicating the issue, I think. Why not just do it themselves, then claim it was 'Anonymous'? No convincing required and no one to argue with. The whole thing smells like just another move to convince the non-believers into thinking NK was responsible for the Sony hack.

Both the US FBI (via, for example, their mole sabu) and the UK (via GCHQ's JTRIG) have previously conducted offensive operations under the cover of Anons. (Of course that doesn't make a lot of sense as an attribution, as Anonymous isn't really a group of any conventional kind.) This looks like a small DoS against one router, as any random could do (and perhaps has done), but of course, .kp doesn't have much connectio…

when NK wants some hacking done, they send them to North Korean-owned Chinese hotels to do it

USG asked Beijing to shut down servers and routers used by North Korea that run through Chinese networks.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by yourad_io » Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 6:12 PM UTC

yourad_io wrote: post #40

Trying to inform oneself about a technical matter through a mainstream news source is an exercise in frustration. Maybe my English needs work. Could someone with superior English skills to mine, please decipher the article and tell me: Is there any actual evidence of an attack? Has traffic spiked through/from NK? Or could this be them "pulling the plug"? Because the first case is: "Someone attacked NK Internet and br…

Now that the actual source (Dyn) put up their work:

> Who caused this, and how? A long pattern of up-and-down connectivity, followed by a total outage, seems consistent with a fragile network under external attack. But it’s also consistent with more common causes, such as power problems. Point causes such as breaks in fiberoptic cables, or deliberate upstream provider disconnections, seem less likely because they don’t generate prolonged instability before a total failure. We can only guess. The data themselves don’t speak to motivations, or distinguish human factors from physical infrastructure problems. [1]

...it turns out that the DDOS part was indeed pure conjecture and over-hyped BS. Thanks, NY times.

Also, they changed the title of the article, if not more. Classy.

[1] http://research.dyn.com/2014/12/who-disconnected-north-korea...

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by n09n » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 10:43 PM UTC

duaneb wrote: post #200

n09n wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote and the wikipedia article it comes from are both misguided because they still describe Anonymous as a group.

Ok, lemme define the group: Anonymous: the group of people who identify themselves as part of the group "Anonymous".

Ah yes, the good old set A, which contains all elements who are members of set A.