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Out of curiousity, if you were to go to one of your favorite sites that is currently ad supported, and the site admin presented a popup that states "We've detected you're using an ad blocker, we respectfully request not visiting our site." Would you respect the request or ignore it?
I actually have a subscription in my AdBlock Plus that also kills these "requests". It's called Adblock Warning Removal List.
Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
#202I realize this won't be popular, but I really have no feelings for ad networks. - They allow shoddy security on their servers - They track users against their will - Info on me is sold w/o my knowledge or consent - Ads are a poor business model since they can be blocked - There is no moral imperative for me to view ads since I've paid to access the Interwebs I block all ads, tracking cookies, beacons, all of it... I…
While the spirit of this extension is good, it will ultimately harm the websites you frequent and like the most. Eventually those sites will get blacklisted from their ad networks due to what will be perceived as "fake clicks" (something ad networks are very, very sensitive to in order to guard against rouge site-owners clicking their own ads or having their buddies click). This extension will click the ads every tim…
If you think about the ad model for print and broadcast media, they don't bother trying to track eyeballs. They know it's impossible. You pay for your ad to appear a certain number of times, and hope people pay attention to it. You can't know whether a specific newspaper gets read by a dozen people in a hotel lobby or lands on a driveway in the morning, to be trashed, unread, at night. If an ad runs on television, the advertiser doesn't know if it's being watched by the whole family, or just the dog.
That's why ratings services, like Nielsen, exist. People get paid to have their habits monitored, and those samples are extrapolated.
Ad networks can, if they so choose, blacklist sites based on a perception of "fake" clicks. Those sites are not necessarily responsible for fake clicks, and they certainly can't do anything to stop them. You would not, therefore be harming the site operators. You would be harming the ad networks that pretend that they know more about their own service than is possible.
Destroying the viability of pay-per-click is (arguably) something that would be an improvement in the world of HTTP publishing.
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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And there are also many donation-supported sites out there. Ads are, to me, unsolicited. You can maybe imply that by visiting your site I'm requesting them, but that'd be twisting it. Whereas donation is more user-initiated and/or site requested.
I run a site with both ads and donations. Users are able to disable ads, even without donating. Would you like to guess how our donations stack up to our ad revenue? We currently have to raise $200/month to break even.
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
#204I realize this won't be popular, but I really have no feelings for ad networks. - They allow shoddy security on their servers - They track users against their will - Info on me is sold w/o my knowledge or consent - Ads are a poor business model since they can be blocked - There is no moral imperative for me to view ads since I've paid to access the Interwebs I block all ads, tracking cookies, beacons, all of it... I…
When you say you disallow CSS history, how are you accomplishing this? Is it a side effect of disallowing scripts?
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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Not even close with the analogy. Unless the content is behind a paywall, it's "free". Want to make money? Charge access. If your content is THAT compelling, people will line up and hand you money. Using a backhanded revenue machine like ads that track me and violate my "anonymity" is beyond the pale. So, yes. If I arrive on your site and there is no paywall, I will gladly view said content without allowing ads. If th…
No, it's a pretty good analogy. You're paying for the transport of the bits, you haven't paid for the content of those bits. The content seems to be good - you chose to use it after all. You could boycott ad-supported content but you chose not to. (I agree with the rest of what you say btw).
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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I often wonder what the internet would be like without ads. First of all, you're right that it would totally kill sites. Let's say it happens. What's next? I would be ecstatic if sites like BuzzFeed and Gawker died. That'd be great[1]. But it also kills good sites like Stackoverflow. That sucks. Right now people don't have to pay for content. Almost everything is ad based. Because of this people almost never pay for…
I often wonder what the internet would be like without ads. It's simple, think of all the completely-non-ad-supported sites you've used, and imagine an internet where those are the only ones around. Basically that would largely be sites hosted by the government, companies (whose profit comes from something else), educational institutions, nonprofits, and individuals. From my experience, I've seen a lot of great conte…
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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I'd be interested in a "Kickstarter for articles" sort of site. Interesting article pitches presented to an audience, those that are most useful, interesting or unique are funded and writers get paid slightly more directly for their work. The difficulty would be determining whether to cut off certain types of content from the site, and where the line gets drawn on extreme material.
A bit like ProPublica? http://www.propublica.org
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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While the spirit of this extension is good, it will ultimately harm the websites you frequent and like the most. Eventually those sites will get blacklisted from their ad networks due to what will be perceived as "fake clicks" (something ad networks are very, very sensitive to in order to guard against rouge site-owners clicking their own ads or having their buddies click). This extension will click the ads every tim…
An ad network cannot tell the difference between a real click and a fake click based on the HTTP request itself. They have to rely on probability models to guess whether clicks are real or fake. The mere existence of an extension like this should prompt them to reconsider their options. If you think about the ad model for print and broadcast media, they don't bother trying to track eyeballs. They know it's impossible…
No they can't, however they can tell what is a real user and what is not. Real users don't click every single ad presented to them on every single page. Real users don't click ads as soon as a page loads. Real users don't click on all ads at the same or near-the-same time. (If this worked, without getting flagged/blacklisted, site operators would have built bots long ago to click their own ads as there is a lot of money to be made that way)
You absolutely will harm site operators. Ad networks do indeed blacklist sites that get high volume of perceived "fake clicks", whether they are fake or not. You will only harm the sites you like the most and frequent the most.
This is a very naive view of how ad networks operate, and a very naive approach to "solving this problem" (likely built by someone who has not worked with ad networks, nor has operated an ad-driven site, ie. someone with little to no experience in the domain they are trying to solve a perceived problem).
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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I run a site with both ads and donations. Users are able to disable ads, even without donating. Would you like to guess how our donations stack up to our ad revenue? We currently have to raise $200/month to break even.
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I'm not really about to defend why it's better than any of the other gazillion sites, feel free to educate yourself on it instead: https://mediacru.sh/about
Re: Ad blocker that clicks on the ads
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Strongly agree. Ads (and even ads placed by primary distributors and authors) hijacked the internet without permission from browsers/surfers and routinely have additional negative consequences. The reader doesn't need permission to defend themselves.
>Ads (and even ads placed by primary distributors and authors) hijacked the internet without permission from browsers/surfers Isn't actively visiting a site you know to be ad supported implying permission?
You actively walk into a bar. For what ever reason, you can't pay your bill so the bar owner break your leg as a lesson. Alternative, the bar owner will sell you into slavery so you can pay your bill.
Should we imply that you gave permission for all this by walking into the bar? What if there is a 400 pages long contract, which by entering, you silently agreed to by staying in the bar?
Implied permission created from non-action are a horrible concept that only exist on-line.